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Author Name:	Jacob
Submitted By:	Jacob
Hold Name:	The Goblin
Theme:	A new kind of dungeon
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Number of Levels:	9
Number of Rooms:	72
Number of Monsters:	191
Version:	DROD: The City Beneath (3.1)
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Hold Karma:	103 (+103 / -0)

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The Goblin

Beethro's services are enlisted by an unusual and innovative architect (includes excerpts from his treatise "On Building an Impenetrable Dungeon").

Thanks to jbluestein, Tim, Chaco, BoyBlue, Jason, Pilchard VIII for testing and bug finding.

10-25-2007 at 10:08 PM

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Just in time for the weekend!

I truly enjoyed these highly polished and, at times, perplexing puzzles from Jacob. This hold features a unique story, a unique concept, more than a few unique lynchpin puzzles, and a unique goblin. Highly recommended.

10-25-2007 at 10:27 PM

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You know that monster count? Like, there's a hundred and ninety one monsters in this hold?

A hundred and ninety of them are wubbas and fegundi. There is only one "monstrous" monster in this hold.

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10-25-2007 at 11:05 PM

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It's a goblin, right?

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10-26-2007 at 02:00 AM

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Now that would be just too easy wouldn't it.

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10-26-2007 at 02:51 AM

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I'm a big fan of Jacob's holds, and this is just a great idea. A hold almost entirely composed of monsterless puzzles that manages to be engaging and difficult.

I've been looking forward to the public release of this hold for a long time...

I give it 5.5 brains and a 10 rating for fun.

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10-26-2007 at 11:35 AM

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Thanks also to CuriousShyRabbit and Syntax, who tested in the HA stage of things.

However, I've just realised we all missed a solution for Briar Patch 2E (which was possibly my favourite room of the whole hold). Unintended solutions make me cry.

I have a fix, but too late.

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10-26-2007 at 08:50 PM

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I share your feelings about unintended soltuions and feel guilty I didn't have enough time to test the hold all the way through. Excellent hold!

I'll vote when I complete it

10-26-2007 at 09:40 PM

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It's finally out! Freaking amazing.

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10-27-2007 at 02:26 AM

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Mastered. And seeing I was one of the first to do that I thought I'd write some comments.

Overall, I'm a big fan of Jacob's holds and I really loved this one too. This is certainly a tough competitor for Terrakept Resonant for the title of the best usermade TCB hold. There are some really clever and (at least for me) previously unseen uses for the new elements. More specific comments secreted:

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Final words: Excellent hold!

10-29-2007 at 10:17 AM

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Simply awesome! I must admit though that it was pretty intimidating to look at it first and it took a while to figure out what everything does. It's a good thing that it was split to small parts so it wasn't that bad after all, once you got into it. I think however that I found something unintended: If you don't kill the goblin after the E miniroom you can still keep it alive during the second tour through the minirooms with the blue doors down. That makes the NE miniroom pretty trivial as you can just trap the goblin at the pressure plate that opens the exit doors.

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10-29-2007 at 12:01 PM

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Simply awesome! I must admit though that it was pretty intimidating to look at it first and it took a while to figure out what everything does. It's a good thing that it was split to small parts so it wasn't that bad after all, once you got into it. I think however that I found something unintended: If you don't kill the goblin after the E miniroom you can still keep it alive during the second tour through the minirooms with the blue doors down. That makes the NE miniroom pretty trivial as you can just trap the goblin at the pressure plate that opens the exit doors.

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It should actually be necessary to keep the goblin alive through to that point. Getting the goblin on the pressure plate in the NE room is the right way to solve it.

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10-29-2007 at 12:51 PM

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I don't think it's necessary. First time I played the level I got out of the post-bluedoor NE miniroom (man, is it hard to describe specific parts of the level) with the goblin killed by letting the briar grow on that plate. As it was more difficult and more of a puzzle I thought that must have been the intended solution.

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10-29-2007 at 01:48 PM

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Thanks or the feedback, Erppo. Glad you enjoyed it. To answer your questions.

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10-29-2007 at 01:59 PM

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I also can't see how to do it without the goblin.

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10-29-2007 at 03:21 PM

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I have to say that so far, I am very impressed. On the briar level already, and it seems that Jacob has got the difficulty level just right. Where a room is hard, but not too hard, and there's logic behind it. The only other one I've seen this good is Simon's Dungeon.

Hopefully I'll finish this, and give a more thorough review!

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11-11-2007 at 05:08 AM

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Great! I like it, very very nice.
I give it 7 fun and 8 brains...Good work.

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11-14-2007 at 08:15 PM

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It was immensely satisfying to master this hold. As calamarain mentioned, the difficulty is just right. Nothing too simplistic, but after some struggle you'll still get it. In general, the secret rooms are very well hidden and they are fun to locate. Specifics:

Outer Defense:
1N3E is an awesome creative construction of one-way passages. 2E took me a long time to figure out how to maneuver from one entrance to the next. 1W is annoying. I hate orb puzzles. Yeah I know it can be back-traced, and you put an escape orb in the beginning, but I still hate orb puzzles...

Repository:
All nice rooms, especially 1N1E. I like bombs going off. 1E took some time, but it was fun to play with.

Flooded Repo:
Many straight less difficult and beautiful little rooms. 1N took awhile until I managed to take the speed potion. 1N1E and 2N2E are great mimic+gel puzzles where the finding where to stab first is hard, and the rest falls apart.

Briar Patch:
This is a fantastic level. I enjoyed all of the secret rooms, especially

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1S1E is easy in the sense that any wrong move results in Beethro's [literally] immediate death. 1S2E is a fun path-finding puzzle. 4E gave me major headaches to keep everybody alive. Likewise for 2E.

Halls of Variation:
Finding a sequence of popping blobs is not really my type. So I enjoy this a little less. Nevertheless I won't complain, I can't expect everything to be exactly as I like it. The 5 non-blob rooms are very fun though.

Inner Defense:
Talk about room reuse. Entering the room 10+ times for 10+ different puzzles.

Cheap Tricks:
Favourite cheap tricks: 1S and 1N. 1N is evil. What's the deal with 4W? I got stuck! Oh well, it's post-master, so I can let Beethro rot in the level.

Overall very enjoyable. 10 fun and 7 difficult.

11-21-2007 at 04:59 PM

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iamyum wrote:
Favourite cheap tricks: 1S and 1N. 1N is evil. What's the deal with 4W? I got stuck! Oh well, it's post-master, so I can let Beethro rot in the level.

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11-21-2007 at 06:30 PM

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jbluestein wrote:

iamyum wrote:
Favourite cheap tricks: 1S and 1N. 1N is evil. What's the deal with 4W? I got stuck! Oh well, it's post-master, so I can let Beethro rot in the level.

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4W is a trap. Essentially, you can only conquer this room if you haven't already conquered all of the other required rooms on the level. And, if you conquer it, you can't exit the level.

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11-22-2007 at 05:40 AM

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I'm not entirely sure why this room is causing so many problems.

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But glad people are enjoying the hold. Thanks for the comments.

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11-22-2007 at 04:49 PM

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