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1Green Is the Color8.11764705882351.9061002054141
2The Guardians Treasure7.94117647058822.1549010687076
3Palschkeep Thwettlebep7.11764705882351.1823383083672
4The Middle Plane72.2491828581535
5A particularly wormy apple6.82352941176471.7900145946709
6VIPCOOL - 2008 Al Dente 16.41176470588242.4509019595294
7Holds Al Dente 2008 Entry5.82352941176471.8860258284566
8The Void4.35294117647061.2338927625531
A particularly wormy apple
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Green Is the Color
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Holds Al Dente 2008 Entry
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Palschkeep Thwettlebep
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The Guardians Treasure
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The Middle Plane
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The Void
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VIPCOOL - 2008 Al Dente 1
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Standard Deviation 2.4509019595294
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Okay, plenty of time for the first half of the judging. Second half will be much briefer.

You may choose to vote in either league, or both, but you must play every entry in the league for it to count. Play each hold for a maximum of one hour before you decide its score - you can go back and play longer after you vote. (It's okay to cut your playtime short, I won't tell.)

You should give each hold a rating based on how 'fun' it was, and on how much of the hold you think you got to see. If you completed the hold, great! Mark it out of ten. If you think you saw half, mark it out of five. If you got stuck on the first room, well...

If you are the author of the hold, please vote 10 for it. Please refrain from voting 1 for the other holds, because we'll catch you.

The top four will be mushed up with the top four from the other league for the final round of voting, and winners will be announced at the end of that round.

A final note: Our 2006 Iron Chef, Sergenth, did not submit an entry. Who'll win the prize this year?

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Thank god for 'copy' and 'paste'.

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Hey, I just realized that apples aren't pasta. Oops. I hope you guys can let this one slip.
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How does the standard procedure of requiring a "10" vote for one's own submission apply to multiple leagues? If I only have time to judge one of the leagues, it would seem to be in my best interest to judge my own league to bag that extra 10 - is this legit?

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How does the standard procedure of requiring a "10" vote for one's own submission apply to multiple leagues? If I only have time to judge one of the leagues, it would seem to be in my best interest to judge my own league to bag that extra 10 - is this legit?
Precedent and my personal thoughts say 'yes, and expected'.

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I'm really looking forward to the next contest like this, that way I can make a better hold for you.

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Precedent and my personal thoughts say 'yes, and expected'.


Oh, good catch. Yes, please vote 10 for your own hold.

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Correct me if I'm wrong, but "The Void" seems, well, uncompletable. I can conquer all the apparent rooms, but unless I'm missing something, it's impossible to then make it to the exit, and the design doesn't lend itself to secret passages. So, before basing my vote on the assumption that the hold wasn't fully tested before submission, I'd like to know if there's something improbably tricky that I haven't seen.

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That's correct, Dischorran, "The Void" cannot be completed because Nothing: West Side: 3N is not backtrackable. You can check in the editor that no alternate route back to the Entrance was provided.
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What? I thought it was possible! Too late to change it now. See you at the losers pen.

*Downloads LarryMurks cheap trick hold*

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Dude, if you're lucky, and this streak holds, you're going to win 50-100 rank points. Doesn't that just make you feel happy?

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I'd like to disagree with that, but sadly you're right. The most skilled architects in the group (People like Doom, larrymurk etc) - look at their later work. It's very very good, you can't argue with that. But it's also rather difficult. Their earlier work tends to be easier and more accessible.

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Yeah, I guess you're right. The great thing about this contest is that it gives medium skilled architects a chance to win. This is because all the best architects make holds that are a little too hard.


Heh :P Of course it's just a matter of perspective. Most of the holds took me about half an hour to complete. I liked your entry, even though it was a bit buggy sometimes. I also thought Mr.Slice's entry was an excelent, mindless Al Dente experience, right up til the point where I realized that it was impossible to complete.

I guess someone couldn't complete blueboys entry. There's no way Green Is the Color "should" be awarded only two points if you only judge how fun it is. (IMO)

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What? I thought it was possible! Too late to change it now. See you at the losers pen.
As for me: I'm not necessarily going to count a hold a whole lot lower because there's a problem in one room, even an unbacktrackability problem. (Though that really is the sort of thing that's obvious if you try to play the hold through start to finish, which I encourage you to do in your future architectural endeavors.) A little, yeah, but it's hardly an automatic "1".
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Yeah, I guess you're right. The great thing about this contest is that it gives medium skilled architects a chance to win. This is because all the best architects make holds that are a little too hard.


Heh :P Of course it's just a matter of perspective. Most of the holds took me about half an hour to complete. I liked your entry, even though it was a bit buggy sometimes. I also thought Mr.Slice's entry was an excelent, mindless Al Dente experience, right up til the point where I realized that it was impossible to complete.

I guess someone couldn't complete blueboys entry. There's no way Green Is the Color "should" be awarded only two points if you only judge how fun it is. (IMO)


Well, it wasn't me... I gave up on trying to complete this league. But I certainly would have rated it a full 2/2 if I did, as I was only able to complete the first room.

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Whew, done with this league. I have but two things to say:
* Seriously guys, checkpoints. Generally one every 50 moves is good. And the best way to make sure you know where you want them is to play your own work.
* Unless I'm mistaken, you were allowed to get someone to look over your hold before submitting it - and some of you could've at least played through your own...

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I scored on 4 factors then divided them by 4 to get an average. The factors were: Fun, Theme, Puzzles and Percent Complete.
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Well, there is only five required rooms to clear, all the others are just for players who liked the hold, and has some time over after clearing it, (and for those who which to reach the masterwall level).
I guess I should have said it before, but I actually thought it was pretty clear: 2N and 3Ns green doors only leads to a secret room, so there's absolutely no need to clear them in order to clear the hold.

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There was a demo on that room with the hold -_- . Also, the hold was anyone edit.


Sorry didn't mean to sound harsh I guess I was a little frustrated. And I thought you would laugh rather than think it was a slight.

I didn't see the demo, but I didn't look either. I only looked at the build version to see how much I had missed on holds I didn't finish, and when I looked at yours it didn't help me figure out the room I was stuck in. I figured (wrongly or rigthly) that if the room was too hard to get past the others would be too hard as well.

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Rehb if you make the play offs I will take that into consideration.

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Rehb if you make the play offs I will take that into consideration.

... Um, sorry, I don't get what you mean... :huh

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Rehb if you make the play offs I will take that into consideration.

... Um, sorry, I don't get what you mean... :huh


Well I can't change my vote now but I will adjust my vote for the fact that I was 95% done instead of 40%. That was 10pts for fun, 4pts for 40% which I would change to 9pts for 95%. The last two do not change. 8pts for meeting the required puzzles difficulity,* and 5pts for a nice look but no reference to the Al Dente theme.

That would bring your total 10+9+8+5=29/40 or a score of 8 rather than 6. It makes a big difference if the hold could be finished in an hour by an average player like me.

I tried very hard to be fair in my voting but I really didn't understand that I was doen with the hold. Now if you want you can ask Mattcrampy if the current vote can be changed but I think it doesn't matter because I don't think my 8 rather than a 6 would change much, but if you are in the 4 that move on to the next run off I will vote that score.

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* Like I said I like this hold, but I just can't get 3N figured out. Can I have some hints.

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