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1How do you rate entry 13?7.82758620689662.118375524608
2How do you rate entry 7?6.89655172413792.202581989334
3How do you rate entry 9?6.41379310344832.4142856640296
4How do you rate entry 33?6.31034482758622.1512377876527
5How do you rate entry 24?6.27586206896551.9279532066889
6How do you rate entry 28?5.89655172413792.005936492724
7How do you rate entry 25?5.86206896551721.9952380884813
8How do you rate entry 19?5.82758620689662.1825161928892
9How do you rate entry 21?5.79310344827592.1556551183569
10How do you rate entry 32?5.75862068965522.3875419824984
10How do you rate entry 29?5.75862068965522.1116290886062
12How do you rate entry 14?5.65517241379312.4108356266136
13How do you rate entry 6?5.51724137931032.3579753099695
13How do you rate entry 31?5.51724137931032.0614807141566
15How do you rate entry 30?5.48275862068972.1110659124157
16How do you rate entry 4?5.4482758620692.4717187499941
17How do you rate entry 20?5.17241379310342.1506849833811
18How do you rate entry 8?5.13793103448282.5013670459755
19How do you rate entry 12?5.03448275862071.991062073552
20How do you rate entry 10?52.5325467623419
20How do you rate entry 23?52.1971768720102
22How do you rate entry 27?4.96551724137932.1088117036442
23How do you rate entry 17?4.79310344827591.8453914703806
24How do you rate entry 16?4.68965517241382.2606597797357
25How do you rate entry 5?4.62068965517242.5108563328824
26How do you rate entry 2?4.58620689655172.0088981605006
27How do you rate entry 22?4.5517241379311.9223944641057
28How do you rate entry 3?4.4482758620692.2527562718705
29How do you rate entry 1?4.34482758620692.0724109243195
30How do you rate entry 11?4.24137931034482.0952355215122
31How do you rate entry 15?4.20689655172412.5647384802465
32How do you rate entry 18?4.17241379310342.2753395429412
33How do you rate entry 26?4.13793103448282.4314624225937
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Absentee ballot sent yesterday. PollPollPoll 2 6.25%
CowboyNeal invented the potatoe. PollPollPoll 8 25.00%

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Average Vote 4.3448275862069
Standard Deviation 2.0724109243195

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Average Vote 4.5862068965517
Standard Deviation 2.0088981605006

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Average Vote 4.448275862069
Standard Deviation 2.2527562718705

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Average Vote 5.448275862069
Standard Deviation 2.4717187499941

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Average Vote 4.6206896551724
Standard Deviation 2.5108563328824

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Average Vote 5.5172413793103
Standard Deviation 2.3579753099695

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Average Vote 6.8965517241379
Standard Deviation 2.202581989334

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Average Vote 5.1379310344828
Standard Deviation 2.5013670459755

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Average Vote 6.4137931034483
Standard Deviation 2.4142856640296

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Average Vote 5
Standard Deviation 2.5325467623419

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Average Vote 4.2413793103448
Standard Deviation 2.0952355215122

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Average Vote 5.0344827586207
Standard Deviation 1.991062073552

How do you rate entry 13?
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Average Vote 7.8275862068966
Standard Deviation 2.118375524608

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Average Vote 5.6551724137931
Standard Deviation 2.4108356266136

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Average Vote 4.2068965517241
Standard Deviation 2.5647384802465

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Average Vote 4.6896551724138
Standard Deviation 2.2606597797357

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Average Vote 4.7931034482759
Standard Deviation 1.8453914703806

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Average Vote 4.1724137931034
Standard Deviation 2.2753395429412

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Average Vote 5.8275862068966
Standard Deviation 2.1825161928892

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Average Vote 5.1724137931034
Standard Deviation 2.1506849833811

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Average Vote 5.7931034482759
Standard Deviation 2.1556551183569

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Average Vote 4.551724137931
Standard Deviation 1.9223944641057

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Average Vote 5
Standard Deviation 2.1971768720102

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Average Vote 6.2758620689655
Standard Deviation 1.9279532066889

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Average Vote 5.8620689655172
Standard Deviation 1.9952380884813

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Average Vote 4.1379310344828
Standard Deviation 2.4314624225937

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Average Vote 4.9655172413793
Standard Deviation 2.1088117036442

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Average Vote 5.8965517241379
Standard Deviation 2.005936492724

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Average Vote 5.7586206896552
Standard Deviation 2.1116290886062

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Average Vote 5.4827586206897
Standard Deviation 2.1110659124157

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Average Vote 5.5172413793103
Standard Deviation 2.0614807141566

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Average Vote 5.7586206896552
Standard Deviation 2.3875419824984

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Average Vote 6.3103448275862
Standard Deviation 2.1512377876527
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I've posted all the entries. I converted some BMPs to PNGs. Authors need not feel guilty, since I did say BMPs were fine. They are quite a bit larger though as has been pointed out.

An interesting entry of RoboBob's was left out for the reason he explained.

A few entries had people questioning whether they should be allowed. They are allowed. The judging factors may lead to these entries getting lower ratings however.

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Woo! First votes! :)

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I voted, but it looks like somebody allready voted for one puzzle and left all the others with 1 point :angry

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I voted, but it looks like somebody allready voted for one puzzle and left all the others with 1 point :angry

Yeah, that wasn't cool. Especially when I specifically asked people to vote honestly, not tactically. Schik and I don't have time to police this now, but if it keeps up, we might dig up names of offenders. In the end, it requires some honor from the voters, since there are always ways to circumvent technical restrictions.

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I judged the puzzles using these standards:
A. Puns (using multiple definitions to an ambiguous effect) are bad.
B. The puzzle shouldn't involve jargon. A well-rounded person should not reach an impasse because of specific knowledge.
C. Because of B, most DROD puzzles (however well thought-out) should be considered less hermetic.
D. The method of solving the puzzle should be mostly undisclosed for the solver to discover.

A hermetic thing, according to Merriam-Webster's, is "impervious to outside influence." A hermetic puzzle does not need a context. If you're presented with it, you need to first figure out how to solve it. Then, solving it should be methodical. I judged puzzles by not only the standards that Erik suggested, but how hermetic it was.

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[Last edited by Swivel at 12-28-2005 02:27 AM : Not many people might view my unwarranted opinions with a simple time-revealer. In order for more people to read my propaganda, I'll just post what I thought of each puzzle when the voting is over.]
12-23-2005 at 03:31 AM
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C. Because of #2, most DROD puzzles (however well thought-out) are left out in the cold.

I don't get it. How does #2 rule out DROD puzzles at all?
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..although reliance on preexisting information not created for the puzzle is acceptable.


Perhaps you interpreted what rule 2 meant in a completely different way than me. Oh well. With my interpretation of the rules, I think I'll be voting DROD puzzles higher than others, since they fit in nicely.

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Anyway, in case anyone is interested, some of my categories for judging:
How interesting the puzzle was to me personally, how original it was. (DROD-based puzzles did reasonably here, but so did others.)
How clever the solution was, and how solvable the puzzle was. Although people didn't have to give explanations, if I can't work out how to solve it or at least how to go about doing so, and no explanation is posted, how am I meant to know its a good puzzle? I gave those low ratings. Puzzles that still didn't seem very enjoyable after seeing the answer didn't do very well either, which included most of those puns ;)
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I didn't say this when I posted the puzzles because in the rules it says:
''don't add anything to your entry post other than the puzzle image and the answer.''
Then I saw that we could add some explanations, like most of people who posted their puzzle. But it's ok.
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C. Because of #2, most DROD puzzles (however well thought-out) are left out in the cold.

I don't get it. How does #2 rule out DROD puzzles at all?
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..although reliance on preexisting information not created for the puzzle is acceptable.


Perhaps you interpreted what rule 2 meant in a completely different way than me. Oh well. With my interpretation of the rules, I think I'll be voting DROD puzzles higher than others, since they fit in nicely.

Heh heh. Originally my four standards for voting were numbered 1 to 4. However, the puzzles were also numbered in the analysis, so I "lettered" the four standards (A through D). So when I refered to #2, I was really refering to B, which states that...
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B. The puzzle shouldn't involve jargon. A well-rounded person should not reach an impasse because of specific knowledge.

In regards to Rule #2 that Senor Hermansen posted, I just thought that a puzzle, within itself, should be enough to find the solution (with some extra research, maybe). If you saw a screenshot from a random game, would you be able to tell what it was? Probably not. That's why I judged the puzzles on how hermetic, or self-sufficient, they were.

The DROD puzzles are some of the best I've ever seen, but they're not that hermetic.

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P.S. I've clarified my original post.

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I would appreciate an explanation for entry #8.
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I would appreciate an explanation for entry #8.


Ditto, and 16 please.

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Entry 13 is currently in the lead with a 7.94 average vote.

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I would appreciate an explanation for entry #8.

Ditto, and 16 please.

And 14. I see there's an explanation, but I don't understand it.
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#14? I got it to work before, but Firefox appears to be unwilling to give it to me. Rest assured the explanation does work, though.
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Well, I feel like I ought to comment on things...so a whole lot of comments, secret-tagged for the sake of space, and unhide-tagged until one-week-one-day from now, give or take.

(Incidentally: I submitted two puzzles. I also gave two puzzles a "10"--but I gave one of my own puzzles an 8.)

A few overall opinions on the nature of "puzzle": a good puzzle should have a single answer; the answer should be obviously right, when it's reached; it should be possible for a solver to reach that answer. Some of these puzzles, I felt, suffered from a lack of knowing when you got to the right answer; some of them, while they led to a clear final answer, involved leaps of logic a solver couldn't reasonably be expected to make.

Just my opinions; your mileage may vary.

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BTW, I don't think anyone should comment on the voting, even by just stating which entry is leading, before the deadline.
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Unfortunately, it doesn't work well on Macs, so I had to do some pretty advanced photo manipulation on my end to find it.

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I forgot to add Techant's entry. Sadly, it's too late to vote on it, but you can still try it out. I'm giving Techant 15 rank points as consolation.



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Now that's hermetic. :)

Kind of a pity it didn't make it in... :?

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Was this one missing in the list???

I must agree with Chaco here. I thought it was one of the best ones in the contest.

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