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Vike91
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Shall we make new arrows which behave like doors?

If the statement is "on", they work like normal arrows, if "off", they don't affect anything.

There could be:

Yellow arrows (toggable by orbs)
Blue arrows (toggles when level is cleared)
Green arrows (toggles when room is cleared)
Red arrows (toggles when all trapdoors are dropped)
Black arrows (toggles when all tarstuff is cleared)
(Master arrows (toggles when hold is mastered))

But i don't know would they be rotatable by arrow rotators.
Suggestions?

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11-09-2008 at 12:15 PM
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I like it, and they would probably work well with toggleable arrow-rotator tokens (especially for master walls)

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11-09-2008 at 01:04 PM
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I think master arrows is kinda redundant.
11-09-2008 at 11:21 PM
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Can't you just have an arrow and a door side-by-side for the same effect?

D = Door
# = Wall
> = Arrow

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11-09-2008 at 11:31 PM
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Not quite the same effect; monsters will be blocked by the door but not the arrow.

Also, brain pathmaps dodge arrows, so turning on and off force arrows could be quite interesting, especially in this diagram:

(v is a South-facing yellow togglable arrow)

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Beethro can walk back and forth through that corridor, but brained monsters won't consider it a path to Beethro (unless the arrow opens, or the hallway becomes clogged, unbraining the monsters, or Beethro makes himself inaccessible, unbraining the monsters, or...) In addition, Seep can't go through force arrows only, just walls. (But togglable force arrows could be put on walls, and thus dropped without destroying the wall.)

In addition to the aesthetic value, I think this has some puzzle potential, if only due to the fact that it turns a space from empty into a force arrow instead of from empty to a wall. I am in favor of this idea.

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By the way, Wonderquest uses arrows that toggle by orbs.
11-10-2008 at 02:34 AM
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How about the same idea, but with walls?
I.e. the green walls only drop when all the monsters in the room are killed. Etc.

Think about - it has puzzle potential.

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Jacob wrote:
How about the same idea, but with walls?
I.e. the green walls only drop when all the monsters in the room are killed. Etc.

Think about - it has puzzle potential.

This is already implemented - they're called "doors". :lol

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Hmmm...jokes are less funny if someone spells them out.

But, yes, you're right.

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*cough*

I knew this FR sounded familiar...

np: Rhythm & Sound - Rhythm & Sound ft. Willi Williams - See Mi Yah (Hallucinator Remix) (See Mi Yah Remixes)

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Briareos wrote:
*cough*

I knew this FR sounded familiar...

np: Rhythm & Sound - Rhythm & Sound ft. Willi Williams - See Mi Yah (Hallucinator Remix) (See Mi Yah Remixes)

The red, black, blue and etc arrows are new though. I think the red and black arrows are pretty intriguing ideas... definitely more interesting than toggling arrows with an orb.

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11-11-2008 at 04:51 AM
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What would a legitimate use for a blue arrow be, out of curiousity?
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Story and plot progression, for sure (remember TCB: Torture Chambers: The Entrance)

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Mechadragon wrote:
What would a legitimate use for a blue arrow be, out of curiousity?

a level where you, when you drop the blue door, have to go back with arrows activated, resulting in different rooms that you'll have to solve.

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I would think blue arrows and master arrows would be pretty much redundant with the existing doors or door/arrow combinations. I might even argue that the puzzle potential of green arrows is pretty much the same as the puzzle potential of green doors.

however, the yellow arrows toggled to "open space" by orbs have been proven by Wonderquest to be an excellent feature (as has been previously pointed out).

red and black arrows may or may not be also awesome, but if I had to make a TODO list, I'd put orb-toggled arrows pretty high and red/black arrows way, way down the list, because I think the puzzle potential of the red/black arrows might be redundant, and, in any case, less commonly useful
(especially if orb-toggled arrows are implemented: you can then just put an orb behind an appropriately colored gate)


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Jacob wrote:
Hmmm...jokes are less funny if someone spells them out.

But, yes, you're right.

They're also less funny when you're trying to be sarcastic and suggesting the very thing the title says the FR is branching from. Because then they're just idiotic.

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12-17-2008 at 02:05 AM
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Good one. Really. But "yellow" arrows were already requested tons of times (even i had this FR), and never got fullfilled :~(
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Apparently they're closer to getting fulfilled now, hence the yellow arrow next to this post! :)

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All these threads about toggling arrows with orbs etc. can be closed, as this can be done in 5.0.
(Although the green-door-equivalent etc. arrows can't... but those seem less useful.)
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