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Aumtlich Beam Reflection off Swords (+1)

When multiple swords cover the same square--whether of mimics, decoys, or whatever else--the only sword which reflects an aumtlich's beam is the one of the entity that moves last (unless one of them is the player, who takes precedence). Is this a bug?

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11-12-2010 at 03:09 PM

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Re: Aumtlich Beam Reflection off Swords (+1)

While I can't say for certain whether it's specifically a *bug*, I will note that it's possible to make a room that is impossible to complete without using a mouse to click on specific clones. (Though honestly, that was the case even without swords.)

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11-12-2010 at 03:41 PM

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Oh! I've never thought about this possibility. I can't think of any concrete changes to make. We'll call this one not-a-bug-its-a-feature unless a change everyone agrees on is proposed.

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12-28-2010 at 04:39 PM

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Re: Aumtlich Beam Reflection off Swords (0)

Would changing this break any rooms, demos or puzzle solutions? If not, maybe we should take a vote.

You know, once a change to the current build is made and released for testing, that is.

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12-28-2010 at 04:59 PM

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12th Archivist wrote:
Would changing this break any rooms, demos or puzzle solutions? If not, maybe we should take a vote.

You know, once a change to the current build is made and released for testing, that is.

No, you don't understand. I'm not asking whether we should change this: I'm asking *how* we should change this (if at all).

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12-28-2010 at 07:58 PM

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Re: Aumtlich Beam Reflection off Swords (0)

I don't see any particular reason to change this.

I have one room where the player's sword is used to counteract the effect of a decoy's in reflecting an aumtlich beam.

I don't know of any others where this is an issue.

Edit: I like the plan below.

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12-28-2010 at 08:17 PM

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Re: Aumtlich Beam Reflection off Swords (+3)

I'd suggest a change so that obstruction always takes precedence over reflection. So in case of multiple swords on one square, the beam would always be obstructed without being reflected, unless the square contains exactly two swords, both of which are perpendicular to the beam. This seems a bit cleaner to me, and reasonably intuitive.

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12-28-2010 at 11:16 PM

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I like Watcher's idea and think that behavior would be more intuitive than what we have right now.

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12-28-2010 at 11:20 PM

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That sounds good to me, too.

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12-29-2010 at 05:21 PM

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Re: Aumtlich Beam Reflection off Swords (+3)

That's quite a lot of agreement.

I've added a patch to the SVN such that multiple swords on the same tile always block Aumtlich gazes, unless the swords are all of similar or reverse orientation (a west and east-facing sword on the same tile would reflect a south or north-facing gaze, but a west and northeast-facing sword would not).

Given that the usual way this technique was used in the past was to interrupt a decoy that had an Aumtlich frozen, there shouldn't be that much breakage (if any). Didn't notice anything strange when I reviewed my demos for Dungeon of Broken Orbs or Choose Your Adventure either.

12-30-2010 at 11:53 PM

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