NiroZ wrote:
The reason I linked to that would be the same if it was a post-modernist trying to disprove science (although considering the ensuing thread, it was a bad idea).
Anyway, rat man. If you want to discuss religion, you have to realise its a topic very close to peoples hearts, and you're going to have people 'typing in allcaps' like you just were. Also, there is many forums and blogs for discussing religion and atheism, and I suggest you go to one of them. Granted, they're less likely to be as mild mannered as people generally are on this forum, and you won't really know much about them, but at least the forum/blog was intended for that purpose.
Thanks for the advice/insight.
Blondbeard wrote:
Firstly you wrote God, which is generally the name for the Christian god. I don't even know how I would have answered the poll if I was a muslim, and that was kind of anoying.
I have heard Muslims refer to allah as God on multiple occasions.
Secondly you seemed to imply that the forum is oppresive against religous people, which is kind of an argument starter.
I did not mean to do so. I'm sorry if I did.
You also stated that it was impossible to prove Gods existance, but if that is the case, what's so wrong with mocking those who do? I mean is it more wrong than mocking other people doing stupid/impossible things
It's not that they mock those who try to disprove atheists, it's that I never came across anyone here who mocked those who tried to disprove theists, but I've come across people mocking those who try to disprove atheists.
I don't think anyone have said that homescooling is a bad thing, and I think dischorran's conclusions are quite impressive. Isn't it a bit fun that he could know you were homeschooled from your forum activity?
It's not what Dischorran said, it's what Banjooie said. He seemed to be saying that people homeschooled in a religious environment will believe anything they're told. I'm guessing now, after the post below yours, that either I misunderstood or that he took it back.
About the subject of religion (and I'll try my best not to be ofensive): The way I see it there's nothing wrong with believing in something. What seems a bit odd from an outside perspective is to be too specific about it. If there exsists a God he/she/it is obviously very bad at comunicating it's existance to us in a clear way (or more likely: doesn't want to). There are, and have been thousands of religions, and within some of those religions there are hundreds of variants. Quite many probably have some kind of miracles linked to them (as does atheism, unlikely things are bound to happen). There is no proof for either one of them, and if you pick one branch to believe in (like a particular branch of Christianity) you are most certanly wrong. Some religuos people solve this by saying that all gods are actually the same, and that there are wisdom in all religons. This I can respect, even though there seems to be quite a large dose of follies in most of them as well (e.g. the greek mythology).
I don't really see what you mean, so I can't really give an effective response.
Banjooie wrote:
How to tell if someone is homeschooled via the internet! Because this is an incredibly valuable topic not just for your edification (amaze your friends! Confound your enemies!) but also I guess for Rat Man, now that he has started to encroach upon the internet as a whole.
That's a good idea. Let's talk about that instead.
Homeschooling, you see, can be more effective than public schooling for purposes of academic learning. I don't really think this is a thing you can debate. It is one on one learning, and you're not going to get let behind. If the person home schooling is deadset on teaching you, you will do better.
I agree with you so far...
So Rat Man here is all up in the linguistics, and seems to generally be capable of debating his way out of a wet paper bag. This is extremely common.
I appreciate the complement! And, ironically, you're the one who was always picking on me whenever I said something stupid before...
One of the major advantages to home schooling is you get to eschew dealing with idiots and jerks all day for twelve years.
The /striking disadvantage to home schooling/ is you eschew dealing with idiots.
Basically, when you're home schooled, your primary social interaction is with friends. Friends is the important term here; you do not socially interact with acquaintances, guys you barely know, or guys you know that you despise. It means that you are not regularly exposed to opinions that deviate from your own, or; if you are, they are things you can look at at a safe distance, rather than have them shoved down your throat by someone at the end of a few knuckles.
It means, among other things, you come out of it with a slightly skewed method of handling them. For the most part, in my experience, it tends to be confusion.
Basically, the way you've reacted in this thread and the other thread indicate you're not used to dealing with people who are willing to bait and/or mock you for basically no reason other than their own entertainment, Rat Man. You've probably primarily had /friends/ as your social circle, and you don't usually have to deal with people who hate you for no reason.
This is not necessarily true. It is often true, I admit, but here is how I feel about that.
First of all, this only applies if they don't get enough exposure to the outside world. Contrary to common belief, homeschoolers can live a very social life, meet new people, go places, etc. etc.
Second of all, if the parents teach their kids to be strong people and not to let the jerks of the world get to them, or if they learned it themselves or are just born like that, they will not have this problem, as homeschoolers are almost always familiar with the fact that the world is full of jerks. They know what's coming. They just don't know what to do when it happens to them.
Like I said, the problem you outlined does exist, just not as much as people like to think.
That's how we know you're homeschooled.
In that case, I know people you would "
know"
is homeschooled who isn't. It's more of an educated guess
If you end up going into the public school system for high school or college, you're going to have one hell of a shock.
Strangely enough, I am quite calm when I run into jerks outside of home. I have anger management issues, but only when I'm at home. If you guy could tell that I was homeschooled, maybe you know why that would be?
Schik wrote:
Wow, I thought we knew he was homeschooled because he told us so.
I forgot I said that. But I guess that doesn't really change what's been said, surprisingly enough.
Tahnan wrote:
Rat Man wrote:
Well, it's true! I know it cannot be proved or disproved because my brother, who takes philosophy, told me all the arguments that people used to prove/disprove it.
I'm going to skip right over the idea of deciding that something is true because a philosopher told you.
But, Rat Man: your logic here is the following.
1. No argument has ever succeeded in proving or disproving X.
2. Therefore, X cannot be proven or disproven.
That, right there, is incredibly fallacious. While induction is an important element of logical reasoning ("every time I stick a fork in this outlet, I get shocked; therefore, I believe it will happen next time, too"), it's not an actual proof. The rather famous example of this logic going south, in both a figurative and a literal sense, is:
1. Every swan we've ever seen is white.
2. Therefore, all swans are white.
This logic was solid and useful and accepted until Europeans got to Australia.
The point is, just because no argument has ever succeeded in proving or disproving the existence of G-d, that doesn't mean that no argument can. (And even this sets aside the question of what counts as proof; after all, all of those arguments your brother learned were believed to be definitive proof by someone.)
That's not what I actually meant and I can explain what I was saying but I'm warn out by all this fighting and it'll no doubt lead to more fighting. So let's forget about that even if you don't believe me.
Jacob wrote:
Prove it.
Same goes for you.
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. I must say, I was impressed with your long, troll-free post!