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It WILL be mind numbingly tough, just to let you know. What do you all think??

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I...uh. Mind numbing, yes, 'tough', no. I think you may have conflated 'incredibly grindy and tedious' with 'difficult'.

I liked the War Holds more than literally anything and I refuse to finish this. It's okay to have tar in a room and not a black tar gate. This is literally an okay thing. You can do this. It's okay. You're allowed. Nobody will yell at you.

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I do not understand your complaint. I get what you are trying to say, but I do not see how it applies to this hold. I Think I got it and fixed it, but I might be wrong. Anyways, I also improved the lake room. Otherwise, I think it is golden. Please keep your ideas coming.

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abe10 wrote:
I do not see how it applies to this hold.

1S has a ton of tarstuff and a black door. Clearing all the tarstuff is not much fun.

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abe10
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Au Contraire. You are neglecting the many Fegundos available for you to use. As for 5S6E, I admit that it probable IS too much tarstuff for one room. But Hey! Now that I made it, you or anyone else can toy around with it.

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abe10 wrote:
But Hey! Now that I made it, you or anyone else can toy around with it.

Of course, that doesn't help if you decide to resubmit to HA. Also, if you agree that 5S6E has too much tarstuff, why not fix that?

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abe10
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Hmmmmmm, How about a bomb maze? Find the right bomb to ignite them all AND avoid being killed in the Process!!

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I would advise you to not submit to HA until at least one person has played through and commented on the hold.

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I've played it through.

It was not as bad as I'd expected after Banjooie's comment. But it could do with a lot of improvement. Also, as it's so small, I'd suggest you hold off on submitting it, and design some more rooms, and then the less interesting ones can be scrapped altogether.

There are a large number of typographical errors, and I don't have time to fix them for you at the moment. Please have another look over all the text in the hold.

Comments on individual rooms:

1S: I ignored the black door and fegundos and decided to clear the room first, and it turned out a nice challenge that way. It needs some checkpoints in the main level area rather than all clustered at the top edge. As Jacob said, dropping the black door is tedious. I strongly suggest removing the black door -- and personally, I would also remove the power token, disarm token and all the fegundos.

4S5E: Long and trivial, which makes it tedious. The player is completely safe while you kill everything with the fegundo, and the force arrow maze lengthens the process without adding any puzzle interest. Even if you don't use the fegundo, it's trivial to kill everything while the force arrows protect you. I would discard this room.

4S6E: Easy mud-clearing room, but not too lengthy. You could make this more interesting by removing a few walls so that Beethro has mud babies coming from all sides as he tries to progress.

5S6E: Floor that looks like oremites but isn't is just silly. Other than that, another okay room, quick and easy. Not "too much tarstuff" as you don't have to clear it all in this room

6S6E: Also an okay room, easier than I expected on first glance.

7S6E: Okay, but checkpoint placement is weird. Putting one on a pit (when there's no platform) is pointless, and there is a need for one in the top-right area and one around the middle. Again, I didn't use the fegundos, and I think it's more interesting that way -- though they serve a purpose partially blocking the golems, so in this case I would remove the power token but keep the fegundos (or replace them with brains).

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Nuntar your patience is literally legendary

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I played the version on the 1st post.
I like clean tarstuff in a room, but it's very tedious for many players, so try avoid do high amount of tarstuff and a black gate in a room.

In 4S4E I don't know the purpose of the disarm token because you can use it twice in order to get back the sword.

In 6S6E if you are in the shallow water, the nests don't spawn water skippers. I only need to use one clone to kill all the nests and use the main Beethro in (7,1) every 10 turns to avoid spawn a legion of waterskippers.

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How Exactly is that crazy War series better than my short and open hold? By open, I mean that there are not many walls inside each room. The seep\mud room would have to be the only exception, and most walls there are destructible.

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The difference is that the War series requires strategy. This, to be honest, doesn't.

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The War holds require strategy and are about crazy horde management.

This is about your willingness to clear incredibly long, tedious rooms that often can't even hurt you.

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WELL. I give up on this one for now. I have a new hold I am working on, "A Passage Of Riddles," and I believe this one will be Much better. Check It Out!!

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