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A simple imperative will do. And a command; "Wait for player to step on me". Why? It adds flexibility.

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This does sound like something that should be in the game.



Oh wait. It already is. Pressure plates.

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zex20913 wrote:
Oh wait. It already is. Pressure plates.

But not moving pressure plates.

Of course, you could do something similar and interesting with a player role that can step on monsters. No, not quite the same thing, for a few reasons. But still interesting.

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I've been secretly wishing for something like this just for floor decorations, actually. Would be more convenient than image floors in some cases, and image floors can't be changed by variables and such.

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I can think of several puzzles. Say a stationary NPC with appropriately chosen 'floor' graphics. Every time you step on it, it changes colour. When it hits a certain colour, something is triggered.

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Oooh! Q*Bert DROD! I'd play that in a heartbeat!

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I don't know, really. If I remember correctly, Mike told me once there's a maximum number of characters that can be put onto one room.

With this suggestion it seems to be able to have an infinite number of characters on top of each other.

Sounds like a sure way to crash DROD, though.

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Tim wrote:
I don't know, really. If I remember correctly, Mike told me once there's a maximum number of characters that can be put onto one room.

With this suggestion it seems to be able to have an infinite number of characters on top of each other.

Sounds like a sure way to crash DROD, though.

Perhaps hardcode a limit to the number of characters allowed?

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calamarain wrote:
Perhaps hardcode a limit to the number of characters allowed?

Now THAT would have puzzle potential!!!1!11!oneone

Edit: I mean, I don't like any arbitrary number for this. Sounds very artificial to me.

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Why not just keep one maximum character per tile?

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Hmm...yeah...I didn't think about what happens when multiple "walk-onable" characters all stack up on the same tile. That does sound like a sticky issue, because currently only one monster per tile is allowed. Either that large section of code would have to be rewritten to support this one feature, or we'd have to provide any of a number of kludges I can think of:
* Monsters still can't walk onto each other, only the player can walk on to them (in which case, "NPC floors" wouldn't really act like floors to most everything)
* While an NPC is in this state, it would still be rendered, but for all other intents and purposes would behave as if it were not visible (i.e. not in the room). Since nothing can bump it, then we might as well not having it occupy that tile of the monster grid. Monsters and the player could walk there, just like they can walk onto tiles where an invisible NPC is located. Hmm...multiple "walk-onable" NPCs could be drawn on the same tile then, with movement order priority.

I like that second one the best. So, yeah...invisible NPCs that you can actually see.

What would we call this condition? How about call them ghost NPCs. "Imperative: Ghost Image" and "Imperative: Solid Image".

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Heh, you could fake a slayer with a bunch of wisp NPCs

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That would be way too cool. I would so write scripts for that.

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Rabscuttle wrote:
Heh, you could fake a slayer with a bunch of wisp NPCs

No you couldn't - real wisps animate in real time!

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Chaco wrote:
No you couldn't - real wisps animate in real time!

So who's gonna make the "Imperative: Animate In Real Time" request?

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But, everything animates in real time, even roaches.

I'm confused.

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But, everything animates in real time, even roaches.

I'm confused.

You know, they want a series of animation frames progressing at a steady rate.

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You are going to implement "Wait for Entity on my square" (Works even without being rendered) as well, aren't you? Then a lot of stuff in the Chip's Challenge in DROD project would be easier, such as... Just about everything. But yeah, sounds like a good idea to treat them as invisible.

Edit: Actually, I just thought of something better: Wait for Entity at relative coordinates. It would work just like Wait for Entity, only relative, not absolute. Of course, relative 0,0 would work for that as well.

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What about letting "Wait for player to touch me" being multipurpose to save us from making the command list longer? To be frank, you can't crush something with your shoes unless your shoes are touching it.

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No. Perhaps... No. Wait for Entity (Relative) is better on two counts:

Versatile Entity type
Versatile Location

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Roaches blink don't they?

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I'd rather like 'Set my sword on/off' and 'Change NPC Role' commands. There would be no need to use multiple NPCs for the puzzle described by Calamarian if all these were implemented.

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