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So I actually kinda do have a working copy of the game and I have absolutely no idea. Seriously.

Forty.

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ONE MILLION ROO--

No. That is not my real guess. My real guess is: 1100.

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Pearls wrote:
So I actually kinda do have a working copy of the game and I have absolutely no idea. Seriously.

Disqualified!

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I believe it's 500-600.

I googled a number generator and asked for a random number between these two.


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karlpopper
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Here's the hard data we have so far:

Jacob wrote:
The new hold will be over TWICE the size of the previous ones.

Actually, I was referring to room count. Over 600.

From the high score pages and robin's sig: (scorable / roomcount / secret)

KDD2 - 301 / 408 / 22
JtRH - 326 / 474 / 34
TCB  - 273 / 529 / 29
GETB - 265 / 424 / 41 

mrimer: you are allowed to edit your guess ... (presumably if you get a temporal token)



My 3rd guess (10-apr) is: 1080






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633

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karlpopper wrote:
From the high score pages:

The original post never mentions anything about scorable rooms, which is what the high score page would show, rather than the total number of rooms, scorable or not, which must be what the contest is about...

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Moo, nice catch, thank you.

I have mastered GaTEB, so was able to look through all the restore screens and see a maximum number of 384 rooms: quite a difference.

I'm not able to get the info for JtRH (can't see Dreamplane), KDD2 or TCB - anyone care to post those numbers?

I think that GaTEB may have a relatively high number of unscorable rooms.

Anyway, I used that ratio and upped my guess accordingly.

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I was going to guess a temperature, but I'll be reasonable and guess 738 rooms.

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karlpopper wrote:
Moo, nice catch, thank you.

I have mastered GaTEB, so was able to look through all the restore screens and see a maximum number of 384 rooms: quite a difference.

I'm not able to get the info for JtRH (can't see Dreamplane), KDD2 or TCB - anyone care to post those numbers?

I think that GaTEB may have a relatively high number of unscorable rooms.

Anyway, I used that ratio and upped my guess accordingly.

My GatEB count was 424 rooms
(you might want to check my signature)

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I will go for... 720!

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Hmm... 900 rooms!

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Come on, we all know there are 0.125 rooms in one Eighth.

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486

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Pi/4

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File: b8eb95a1d7abd90478a2cb40f1913311.png (325 bytes)
Downloaded 99 times.
License: Public Domain

Is this number, or length? That matters if there are a transfinite number of rooms.

(but really I just want to guess the Church-Kleene ordinal)

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mrimer
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Uhh...

Uhh...

I'm going to have to say that I'm not clear what your guess is.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church%E2%80%93Kleene_ordinal

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If the number of rooms in TSS is transfinite, I'm not sure I'll have enough disk space to install it.

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Whoa. Well, at least it's not a supernatural number.

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I'm going with 1083.





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mrimer wrote:
Whoa. Well, at least it's not a supernatural number.

I'm rather fond of nonstandard natural numbers (more formally, nonstandard models of natural numbers).

The most common example is if you work with the first-order axiom version of Peano Arithmetic. PA is a very simple model for natural numbers, addition, and multiplication: basically an extremely simple foundation for number theory that is defined only for naturals. Here it is:

0. ∀x1∈N. 0 ≠ S(x1)
[a number "zero" exists, which does not follow any natural number]

1. ∀x1,x2∈N. S(x1) = S(x2) ⇒ x1 = x2
[if two numbers have the same successor (+1), they're the same number]

2. ∀x1∈N. x1 + 0 = x1
["zero" is the identity of addition]

3. ∀x1,x2∈N. x1 + S(x2) = S(x1 + x2)
[definiton of addition (defined recursively on succession)]

4. ∀x1∈N. x1 ⋅ 0 = 0
[any number times "zero" is "zero"]

5. ∀x1,x2∈N. x1 ⋅ S(x2) = x1 ⋅ x2 + x1
[definition of multiplication (defined recursively on succession, addition)]

There is also a seventh axiom in first-order PA which is a schema: an infinite set of axioms, one for each formula you can define using only the axioms above (and the schema itself). I won't post it here because it's not digestible, but it basically says:

6S. (confusing math omitted)
[for every formula in PA, you can do induction: if the formula holds for "zero", and if, when the formula holds for all previous "numbers", it also holds for the next; then it holds for every "number" in PA]

This can be reduced to a single axiom in second-order PA (where we allow things like formulas themselves to be quantified), but there are some benefits to restricting ourselves to first-order PA (where you can only say "for all" or "there exists" when you're talking about "numbers" i.e. objects in the system).

The weirdness is that, while PA provides an excellent model for number theory, first-order PA is not complex enough to limit the model to the one we want. So not only is PA satisfied by the typical system of natural numbers with addition and multiplication, it can also be satisfied with numbers like...

0, 1, 2, ... a, b, c, d, ...

...where the a, b, c, d numbers are an infinite distance from the standard natural numbers. They get much weirder than this, but this "disconnection" between sets of numbers is the main idea.

The kicker: if you want to prove something holds for PA, frequently you need to include these odd non-natural numbers in your analysis.

(Now TFMurphy can correct everything I said using the wrong model-theoretic terminology, if he chooses.)

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You must be fun at parties.

But jokes aside I understood around 80% of that, I think half of the semester on university helped. I just feel bad for people who know all that stuff, you can no longer appreciate the simplicity of ignorance .

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743.

komachi
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679 rooms.

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robin wrote:
My GatEB count was 424 rooms
(you might want to check my signature)

Ok, now call me naive, but I've taken Jacob at his word and adjusted my guess with this new info.

I wonder where the number 384 comes from in my mastered session of GatEB?

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614 rooms
(which would be more than enough for me to struggle through!)


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Who says I was telling the truth though?

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My bet is 5 thousand.

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Well, I just saw the green light page and

Over 500 puzzle rooms and 30 levels, each organized around a different type of puzzle element.

No one is under 500. Maybe you want to change your guess though.

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