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Hahah I got modded down for that. <3

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Same here... it's been over 9 years already for me. Crazy how quick time passes!

Anyway, progress update: I might release a new demo with Level 18 and the start of Level 19 after I've taken care of the bugs that Nuntar has mentioned. (Thanks for the input, BTW :D)

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Hold updated! The backtracking bug in L12 should be fixed now. Sorry I took a while to fix it... :closedeyes

Anyway, Level 16 is now available! Enjoy, my dear friends! :D

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I've been playing through the hold again from the beginning. So far everything looks fine, but I did notice a stair assignment problem: the stairs in Ninth Level: The Entrance go back to Eight Level (OLD) instead of the normal Eighth Level proper.

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I played until the half of level 10.

Notes of level 9 (level which I started to do them):

2N 1W: I think the arrow is in the inverse direction. You can kill the eyes and exit without use the decoys.
2N 1E: I could solve the room with only two decoys.
2N 2E: I don't know if the intended solution is:
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I tried with the intended way I suppose is, use both decoys to arrange the roaches and halph can touch all the orbs, I tried it but I cannot re-arrange the chamber below.
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Is the intended solution?.
1N: you can't return if you cross the arrow before clean 2N (unless I need to do something with the potion)
3N 1W: Neat room!.
1N 2E: I liked this room, took me a while open the middle door.

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I fixed the problems mentioned here. Thanks for the input!

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Jeff mentioned in chat that he accidentally deleted Fifth Level 2N, so here is a copy.

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Third Level 4S1E is brilliant. Devilishly hard, too.

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Ninth Level entrance stairs go to an "OLD" level.

The potion in level 9 1N is not needed to kill all the roaches.
No potions are needed in 2N1W either.

There also appears to be a backtracking issue on level 9 itself; once the player has passed over the force arrow in 1N, they can no longer return to the first part of the level if 2N hasn't been solved yet.

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After over 2 years of on/off work, Level 17 is finished! Who knows how long 18-20 will take...

Let me know if you find any bugs in the hold!

Thank you for patience :)
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12-28-2016 at 06:50 AM
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Sixth Level: 2S2W
Missing connection between pressure plate and door.
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I don't know how that slipped past me... well it's fixed now. Thank you :)

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12-28-2016 at 11:14 PM
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Comments until level 8:

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Time to give this another try :D

I'm glad most of the clunky exposition has been removed, but there are still a few oddities and other little things....

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L16: 2N1W: Can't return from rooms to west, as there is no way to open NW door.
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I've fixed most of the smaller bugs and have left some notes to review some of the larger issues (mainly those involving changing/moving rooms). I will post the new version shortly.

EDIT: V1.8.1 is up, with most of the issues fixed.

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L17 1E is required, thus can't be reached.
01-12-2017 at 02:27 PM
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Commentary from Level 12 onwards:

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01-13-2017 at 04:41 PM
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Old business:
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I noticed that the old tutorial blurbs and scrolls were removed. Out of interest and on account of the presentation of this as an "introduction" hold, I would like to ask why that is.

In early levels it easy for new players to deduce how elements work, but as puzzles get progressively harder and more interactions are featured (IE: Level 10 and 16) it would be convenient from a beginner's viewpoint to have an explanation behind the apparent chaos.

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Hi everyone! It's been a while, to say the least, since the last time I've updated this hold... Sorry about that :P

I've recently decided to get back into working on my holds and other general DROD stuff, so I'm just letting you all know I'm currently going through the list of issues brought up by Nuntar and bbb, as well as other ones I've found in my playthroughs. I'll post a new version once I've gone over enough of these issues, and/or have a new level finished and ready to be played! :)

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Oh, this is nice! I've become active here more or less after you became a bit silent. For me, Jeff_ray is one of the 'grand old masters' of drod from ages ago :)

And now, all of a sudden, a new hold is coming.

Great news and looking forward to that!

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I would like to note that the exit room in the Fifth Level seems to actually be impossible to solve by playing the hold normally, as after you kill all the roaches and queens to open the exit, you cannot go directly back to the exit and have to open the yellow doors again, which is fine cause I assumed it was intentional,

But it is actually impossible to execute with the two wubbas provided for you, as there is no way to manipulate either of them on either of the plates without getting stuck in the arrow trap yourself.

What I could suggest is having a green doored bridge across the pit, just like the trapdoor bridge that already exists, except obviously no south arrow to prevent you from reaching the exit by crossing it.

Although this would negate you opening the yellow gates a second time, I have a slight suspicion that was probably not intended - you were most likely supposed to only open the gates the first time and then come back to kill the monsters.

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Okay... maybe it is because I don't have the proper expertise for that kind of stuff. Could I please have a demo?

However, even if a solution actually exists I would still advocate changing it because it is far too fiddly and difficult for a JtRH style hold.

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11-30-2022 at 09:13 PM
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No wait... I tested it again and I am more certain than ever it is logically impossible to do for the bottom part, cause there is no way to get the wubbas from their cage onto the plate owing to their straight line moving nature and the setup of the room.

Cause if you step to the left to lure the wubbas in, you are stuck in the arrow trap yourself, and trying to step northwest or north along the diagonal path doesn't work because of the fact the wubbas move only in a straight line.

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