Dischorran
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File: The Good the Bad and the Ugly compilation fixed.hold (37.8 KB)
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I'm ever so sorry, but as promised, here's a beta version of the compilation hold for the eponymous unofficial contest. This contains a single-room hub with stairs to each of the contest entries. The clearing of each entry is tracked by scripting, and a door opens in the hub each time an entry is cleared, ultimately opening a path to the exit. Story is minimal - after all, the focus should be on the entries. I've played it through start to finish, so it's completable, but that doesn't necessarily mean that the scripting's bulletproof.

It would probably be a good idea for contestants to check over their rooms to make sure nothing went awry in the copying.

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noma
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Mine seem to be fine. And that hub room! Beethro says exactly what I was thinking when I first saw it.

CuriousShyRabbit
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Yuck. I've played through this horrendous thing. Now I need to brush my teeth. Or something.

If this atrocity comes anywhere near the Holds board, be warned that I plan to rate it a "1" and dump tons of negative karma on it.

Chaco
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File: Chacos The Good the Bad and the Ugly compilation.hold (36.6 KB)
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Following what I mentioned earlier in the contest thread, and a discussion with Dischorran earlier...

Attached here is a modified version of the hold at the top of the hold. I've added a duplicate version of every level, which should play exactly the same - any solution demo to the original "ugly" room will work exactly the same and solve the room in the new version, and in general none of the room behavior is changed.

It's telling that exactly two (maybe three) of the rooms actually look halfway decent cleaned up (mine, noma's, and possibly AlternatePuzzles' as a stretch), while the rest are pretty much lost causes no matter what I do. This is probably reflective of each of our design philosophies; as I mentioned earlier I pretty much just made a regular puzzle and then made it ugly, while I think everyone else concentrated on making a room ugly, then put a puzzle in the room.

Anyhow, I think some of this material might be interesting to Dischorran, or other people.

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Dischorran
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Cool! That's worth emptying out my mod points pile, such as it is (why do people keep modding me down??? ).

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Dischorran
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I've transferred the prettified rooms to my copy and wired the entrances appropriately - this version's up top now. Chaco's stuff is all unrequired postmastery content, accessible by a new stairway in the hub. Hopefully everyone's OK with having their entries modified in this section.

Fair warning: I've worked up everything as per the original version, so it *should* all work, but I haven't done an entire playthrough of the new hold yet. I'll update this post appropriately once that happens.

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CuriousShyRabbit
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Hmmmm... I wouldn't say the new postmastery rooms work exactly the same as the regular contest entries.

Most notably:

In the modified version of VIPCOOL's entry, the inability to take the platform from (3,9) to an east pointing tunnel at (1,13), which then takes me to the west tunnel at (6,13), cuts off my fast solution to this room. Certainly the room is still solvable, but definitely not the same.

In the modified version of The Stew Boy's entry, the conversion of obstacles to walls makes more places where seep can go. The new inability to pass a seep at (22,12) cuts off one of several paths through the room.

And a minor nitpick:

There was something very nice about the "ugly" pits in noma's second entry: their pattern made it easy to count squares for the roach queen timing part of the puzzle. In the "neat" version, counting squares is harder.

Chaco
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All I can really say to the above is "Oops, I didn't realize that."

I'll try to weasel out of fixing any of this stuff by deferring to Dischorran, to see if he thinks anything is worth fixing, and if so, how. (It was a real pain to work on the two winners.)

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Dischorran
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I'll take another look at VIPCOOL's and Stew Boy's levels to fix them up. As for noma's, using dark tiles on oremites seems standard these days, so I'll probably just do that.

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Dischorran
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New version posted, with the relevant issues hopefully corrected and with a full playthrough (finally). I'm still not entirely convinced Stew Boy's deuglified entry is quite right, but it's certainly closer.

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CuriousShyRabbit
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So now my solutions for the "ugly" rooms seem to work for the "neat" rooms too, which is what you intended.

While it's cool to look at the "neat" vs "ugly" rooms, I can't say that actually punching in the same solutions twice is very much fun. It was more interesting looking for unintentional differences.

Bleach Storehouse now has an inaccessible room 1E.

Dischorran
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Whoops. I put that there to make checking my work easier and forgot to remove it. EDIT: It's gone now in the new version posted above.

As for not being much fun, well, it *is* just post-mastery content. I suppose I could hack a return doorway into the rooms and make them non-highscorable if people feel strongly that they're too annoying.

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[Last edited by Dischorran at 07-31-2009 05:37 AM]