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Remlin
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When using a player role that kills with its body (like a goblin) it's not possible to simultaneously move a platform and kill a monster. (For example, a goblin on a 1x1 platform can never kill a wraithwing unless he leaves the platform.)
11-18-2008 at 07:46 AM
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I'm not one of the experts, but what I think is happening is that the game checks to see if your move is valid independent of moving the platform first. Since the wraithwing is there it says it is not and then does not even bother trying to move the platform.
11-18-2008 at 04:29 PM
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brian_s wrote:
I'm not one of the experts, but what I think is happening is that the game checks to see if your move is valid independent of moving the platform first. Since the wraithwing is there it says it is not and then does not even bother trying to move the platform.

If the game did that, it would decide that it is a valid move, since you can kill the wraithwing with your body.
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11-18-2008 at 04:36 PM
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I'm not sure if I agree with you Dex. I don't know if what brian_s says is true, but if the movement order (or algorithm for movement) is indeed that way round, then it may well be an explanation for what's going on.

If the game really does first check whether you can perform the move independent of the platform then it is checking whether you can kill the wraithwing without moving the platform - in this particular case this indeed *would* be impossible.
The goblin can't kill a wraithwing suspended over pit or water. The only way the goblin could kill the wraithwing is if the platform was already under the wraithwing, but that's not happened yet.

If this analysis is correct, then I'm not sure this can be counted as a bug.

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11-18-2008 at 10:38 PM
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11-29-2008 at 11:52 AM
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Reading through the code, it feels like a bug to me. The game detects that there's an obstacle there... the pit/water. If the pit/water wasn't there, then it would check the monster and see that you could step on it, and would thus report no obstacle.

It then later checks that you can move the platform, and decides that it can. However, it continues checking for special obstacles, and when it finds a monster, it ends up assuming that it was the monster that blocked you. So it prevents you from stepping on the monster, not because the monster is an obstacle, but because it only remembered that it found *a* obstacle (even though the game successfully figured out it wasn't).

I've submitted a fix to the SVN to rectify this. Under normal circumstances, this will only affect a 'step-killing' player role killing a flying entity over pit or water when moving a platform. You will still be unable to kill waterskippers by stepping (since they block the platforms movement).
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