Banjooie
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I'm not entirely sure what you've edited, but okay, sure, go for it?

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File: Modified Memories.hold (70.8 KB)
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Okay, I edited: the tar mother's den: added way easier soloution, added: Set misic finale to the last 3 rooms. I also changed the way the light in Houses works, its now when you step on the space it comes from.
oh yes, and I added 6 wall lights to the skull piles in Recollections Once North.

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Yeah, Banjooie, are you done with this hold? Or are you working on it?

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I'm actually working on it still, it's just that I've been uninspired to a great degree, and busy with a variety of things.

...is the Tar Mother's Den really that bad? Really? I was just trying to eliminate Stefan's trivial solution...

Edit: And having seen your version...uh.

I see that swords kill everything, but I don't see how you turn them on.

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Banjooie wrote:
...is the Tar Mother's Den really that bad? Really? I was just trying to eliminate Stefan's trivial solution...

The Tar Mother's Den was quite possibly my favourite room in the hold. It required efficiency and cleverness, all wrapped up together like a twinkie of puzzle goodness.


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Banjooie wrote:
...is the Tar Mother's Den really that bad? Really? I was just trying to eliminate Stefan's trivial solution...

Because I think I was the one who complained, I think I should say that I don't think it is too bad. I just don't like hyper efficient rooms, that's all.

It also doesn't fit to the rest of the hold. I think that room alone makes your hold's brain rating go up by 2.

I'd rather see that room as optional. Or as an challenge.

Besides, there is no such thing as a Stefan's solution that is trivial.

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I'll make it optional then, in the next version, and I think I know exactly how.

It is sort of terrifying--

Oh, and there's a Stefan trivial solution. Half of that was just making it not easily finishable before the first spawn.

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1 west of the very bottom right accessable space there's an NPC, step there i think?

if you right click and select the whole playing field in the editor with wall light, light or darkness it show the whole playing field so you can see the distinctive Alternate Floor square.

oh yeah, and until i used the editor i didn't know how to get to Under the island.
and yess, i HATED the tar mother's den!!!
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...you know, to be honest, I really thought it was one of those rooms that theoretically was difficult but since every wrong move made you lose it was basically brute-forcable. But anyway, yeah. In the mysterious and eventual new version, it will be optional.

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Banjooie wrote:
I'll make it optional then, in the next version, and I think I know exactly how.

It is sort of terrifying--

I don't normally swear when I play puzzle games.

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Okay, come on, the room was not /that/ hard.

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Banjooie wrote:
Okay, come on, the room was not /that/ hard.

You are the /architect/. You can't judge that very well because you /made/ the room in question, so of /course/ the solution is easy to see for you.

/slashies/

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I'm trying to live in this world where somebody plays larrymurk's holds, and Doom's, and Stefan's, and tells me that the Tar Mother's Den is the first time they've sworn at DROD.

I'm sorry. D:

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Banjooie wrote:
I'm trying to live in this world where somebody plays larrymurk's holds, and Doom's, and Stefan's, and tells me that the Tar Mother's Den is the first time they've sworn at DROD.

He said "don't normally", you silly fungi.

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Heheh. It's really that the Briar came from nowhere... it was like some horror movie. I had sweat patches under my arms.

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Tar Mother's Den is my favorite room, I didn't think it was that hard.

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Banjooie wrote:
Okay, come on, the room was not /that/ hard.

It really wasn't that hard, honestly. IF you already know what all the tarstuffs are like when you play through it.

You don't want to try it BEFORE encountering gel in TCB though. Thats a bad thing. Its not a good first place to play with gel at all.

Actually, instead of making this optional, I'd say you should expand the den with a few earlier rooms that get people in the right frame of mind (frustrated and angry thinking about the right things, y'know?). With them already wanting to hurt you prepared, the room should go much more smoothly.

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Actually, it's funny because you hit upon the problem I am coming into--I am producing a variety of concepts I would like to dig more into, and eventually I end up making every level spin off into further sub-levels, each of which may have many rooms.

Like, at some point here we're going to hit an event horizon.

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Really enjoyed this hold. Keep up the good work.
Erm, that's it really.

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Humph, I'm stuck on the Tar Mother's Den. But I like the concept. I just can't figure out how the heck to take all 3 tar mothers out before they open up that giant door and let the briar eat me. D:

But then, I'm sure there's some form of trickery in which I am lead to false assumptions. And considering that comment about this not being the best place to start with gel, there's a good chance of that.

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Beef Row: I need to thieve something from you, as I have lost the hold I sent you. D:

BDR: Gel only expands anything it touches. This is critical to the entire room.

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Oh ho, but that is a mighty good trick you have there. Though it's not quite as mechanically easy to divine as, say, backswiping in certain rooms (or just a certain room, perhaps) of a certain hold with lots of eyes in dangerous groups.

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It's going to be optional from here on out--now that I get to remake like two levels, well.

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Well, it's really not that bad: mostly it's all about the immediacy of your actions. In the classic deadly roach/eye rooms, picking the wrong choice either kills you or puts you in zugzwang very obviously and quickly. Here, you only see that you made some kind of blunder after 29 moves, and it's not like most people are going to take the time to measure moves and figure out what they do and don't have time for. But of course it's going to be optional anyhow so this is moot, and I have other nits to pick.

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2. IIRC the entrance text for the Tar Mother's Den is "Entrance 9" or some such hogwash. You probably already are aware of this problem and plan to fix it in postproduction, but just in case you aren't I figure it can't hurt to increase awareness.

3. Underneath the Island 2N, when I move northwest a platform near the top drops (which I'm sure is supposed to happen) and the game donks at me (which is probably not supposed to happen). I am running only 3.0.0, though; and it doesn't bother me a whole lot as long as TCB doesn't crash or go crazy on me. EDIT: Actually, now it seems like every time I undo in this room it donks at me. Odd.

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Re: 1:


re 2:

...actually, there shouldn't be entrance text at all. Argh. Will fix!

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I just played through this and mastered it (downloaded from top of thread on 5/25).

Really good stuff here. My favorite room is the Tar Mother's Den (awesome!), with the room with the briars and the clone a close second. But there's a lot to like here.

Didn't find any problems.

Waiting for the final version, mostly patiently.

Josh

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I seriously can't see why people don't like the tar mother's den. Not onlz is it quite easy (I needed less than 1 minute and 5 tries) but I also absolutely loved the feeling I got when that briar appeared out of nowhere.

I don't like the scroll though...

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I actually put that scroll there because A: it only shows up you're doing the room the second time for some reason, and B: Maybe you don't know exactly why the briars are kicking your ass.

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Mini-bump for encouragement...

I just mastered this and IT'S FRACKIN' FANTASTIC!!!

I can't wait to get my hands on the finished hold.

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I am very vaguely doing progress on this I swear

It's just depressing that I lost one of my awesomest rooms to my own stupidity.