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1Entry #21 - Professor Gooles Goolean Dungeon7.62962962962962.213563377405
2Entry #25 - The Pyramid of Doom7.37037037037041.590437818784
3Entry #4 - A Vist To Mellenfral72.0367003088693
4Entry #17 - Level200610226.9629629629632.1513386268826
5Entry #9 - Bugged6.92592592592592.0353528391162
6Entry #18 - Moebius Hold6.85185185185192.0494570862603
7Entry #26 - Under the Trapdoor6.74074074074071.9358717548699
8Entry #13 - Hold Of The Hour6.59259259259262.2154216931464
9Entry #19 - Nightmare Roses6.55555555555562.6573912762448
10Entry #8 - Beethros Shortcut6.29629629629632.0694392658813
11Entry #6 - Beethro Budkin Stars in6.25925925925931.9166443011756
12Entry #20 - Oct2006 Contest - Spider Invasion6.14814814814811.6932043630611
13Entry #1 - 60 Minutes6.0370370370371.5748364167014
14Entry #2 - A decision of no Choice5.74074074074072.1010154968419
15Entry #10 - Chambers Holds Al Dente5.70370370370372.2246899878046
16Entry #24 - The Crossing Holds Al Dente5.62962962962962.1282604294161
17Entry #27 - Valley of Nowhere5.55555555555561.9309052441092
18Entry #14 - Holds Al Dente by Tokyokid5.33333333333332.1602468994693
19Entry #5 - Al Dente North Carolina5.29629629629631.9965676995472
20Entry #11 - Hold Al dente by Timo0065.22222222222221.9309052441092
21Entry #15 - Holds Al Dente Jason5.18518518518522.0734125929301
22Entry #3 - A story about a man5.14814814814812.2394394752342
23Entry #16 - Holds Al Dente Jeff_ray5.11111111111112.0427529234278
24Entry #7 - Beethro the Gatherer4.85185185185191.9187901995539
25Entry #23 - Shortness4.33333333333332.4037008503093
26Entry #22 - Puzzling Limits4.29629629629631.9015552078509
27Entry #12 - Hold Al dente Lst64.25925925925931.8577683265162
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Entry #1 - 60 Minutes
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Average Vote 6.037037037037
Standard Deviation 1.5748364167014

Entry #2 - A decision of no Choice
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Average Vote 5.7407407407407
Standard Deviation 2.1010154968419

Entry #3 - A story about a man
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Average Vote 5.1481481481481
Standard Deviation 2.2394394752342

Entry #4 - A Vist To Mellenfral
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Average Vote 7
Standard Deviation 2.0367003088693

Entry #5 - Al Dente North Carolina
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Average Vote 5.2962962962963
Standard Deviation 1.9965676995472

Entry #6 - Beethro Budkin Stars in
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Average Vote 6.2592592592593
Standard Deviation 1.9166443011756

Entry #7 - Beethro the Gatherer
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Average Vote 4.8518518518519
Standard Deviation 1.9187901995539

Entry #8 - Beethros Shortcut
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Average Vote 6.2962962962963
Standard Deviation 2.0694392658813

Entry #9 - Bugged
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Average Vote 6.9259259259259
Standard Deviation 2.0353528391162

Entry #10 - Chambers Holds Al Dente
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Average Vote 5.7037037037037
Standard Deviation 2.2246899878046

Entry #11 - Hold Al dente by Timo006
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Average Vote 5.2222222222222
Standard Deviation 1.9309052441092

Entry #12 - Hold Al dente Lst6
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Average Vote 4.2592592592593
Standard Deviation 1.8577683265162

Entry #13 - Hold Of The Hour
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Average Vote 6.5925925925926
Standard Deviation 2.2154216931464

Entry #14 - Holds Al Dente by Tokyokid
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Average Vote 5.3333333333333
Standard Deviation 2.1602468994693

Entry #15 - Holds Al Dente Jason
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Average Vote 5.1851851851852
Standard Deviation 2.0734125929301

Entry #16 - Holds Al Dente Jeff_ray
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Average Vote 5.1111111111111
Standard Deviation 2.0427529234278

Entry #17 - Level20061022
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Average Vote 6.962962962963
Standard Deviation 2.1513386268826

Entry #18 - Moebius Hold
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Average Vote 6.8518518518519
Standard Deviation 2.0494570862603

Entry #19 - Nightmare Roses
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Average Vote 6.5555555555556
Standard Deviation 2.6573912762448

Entry #20 - Oct2006 Contest - Spider Invasion
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Average Vote 6.1481481481481
Standard Deviation 1.6932043630611

Entry #21 - Professor Gooles Goolean Dungeon
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Average Vote 7.6296296296296
Standard Deviation 2.213563377405

Entry #22 - Puzzling Limits
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Average Vote 4.2962962962963
Standard Deviation 1.9015552078509

Entry #23 - Shortness
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Average Vote 4.3333333333333
Standard Deviation 2.4037008503093

Entry #24 - The Crossing Holds Al Dente
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Average Vote 5.6296296296296
Standard Deviation 2.1282604294161

Entry #25 - The Pyramid of Doom
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Average Vote 7.3703703703704
Standard Deviation 1.590437818784

Entry #26 - Under the Trapdoor
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Average Vote 6.7407407407407
Standard Deviation 1.9358717548699

Entry #27 - Valley of Nowhere
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Average Vote 5.5555555555556
Standard Deviation 1.9309052441092
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Unfortunately, I can't tell what's genuinely broken (#15, 1N; #16, Mud: 1N) and what I just can't figure out (#19...I can prove to myself that it's not possible, but I don't know whether my proof is valid).
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Twenty-seven? Holy cow!

*waits for compilation*

I'm thinking out loud here, but maybe future contest judging could be made more manageable by introducing some sort of tournament-style vote when we have this many entrants? Cause seriously, this many entries is a HUGE deterrent.

What if (for example, I'm not proposing an immediate change to this contest) we had seperated these 27 entries into 4 brackets of 7, 7, 7, and 6, each with their own voting topic? Then we could vote on each bracket that we got around to playing and perhaps the top two could advance to the final round, where everybody plays the finalists and votes for the winner.

Sure, you could argue that this might be unfair for the holds in the smaller bracket in this case, but I think the tradeoff there for more potential votes will actually give us more reliable results. And it might take a little longer, but it would also make the process a tidge more exciting.

Just something to consider the next time this situation arises.

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Tahnan wrote:
Unfortunately, I can't tell what's genuinely broken (#15, 1N; #16, Mud: 1N) and what I just can't figure out (#19...I can prove to myself that it's not possible, but I don't know whether my proof is valid).

I can join in on the questioning of #16, Mud: 1N.

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But #19 is clearly solvable. I've finished it, and it's my favourite so far. PM if you need a hint.

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I can also confirm that #19 is solvable. It's very clever.

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Twenty-seven? Holy cow!

*waits for compilation*

Way ahead of you, see first post.

I'm thinking out loud here, but maybe future contest judging could be made more manageable by introducing some sort of tournament-style vote when we have this many entrants? Cause seriously, this many entries is a HUGE deterrent.

What if (for example, I'm not proposing an immediate change to this contest) we had seperated these 27 entries into 4 brackets of 7, 7, 7, and 6, each with their own voting topic? Then we could vote on each bracket that we got around to playing and perhaps the top two could advance to the final round, where everybody plays the finalists and votes for the winner.

Sure, you could argue that this might be unfair for the holds in the smaller bracket in this case, but I think the tradeoff there for more potential votes will actually give us more reliable results. And it might take a little longer, but it would also make the process a tidge more exciting.

Just something to consider the next time this situation arises.

This is a good idea, and I think it's worth investigating in future contests.

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I played about half the holds last night. Some I was quite impressed by, and some I was pretty disappointed with. But almost all of them (save for some really hard ones) took less than fifteen minutes to solve.

I'm going to actually comment on each when the poll is over.

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Further PSA: Tim006's hold has a required room behind the master door, so it too is not completable.

I'm sorry, I noticed this bug before and I thought I fixed it. The hold is Anyone Edit, so you can make it unrequired.

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Are holds #14 and #24 identical? (They look like they are.) I wonder if they'll get different votes...
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Oh my - it appears that I've gotten an old version of Tokyokid's mixed up with the rest of the entries. Where can I put my face!

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So has anyone gotten through them all yet and voted?

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I've played 18 of them so far. Some I can't beat, but I still give them an "Al Dente" grade and I'm noting a higher "non Al Dente" grade if they are obviously clever and original.

So many of these holds have excellent puzzles, stories, and funny stuff in general.

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Whoo-hoo! I'm winning!

(By which I mean nothing more than: I've voted. :-) Since I'm now the second person to do so, it was a 50/50 chance as to who'd be winning, depending on how we voted for each others' holds.)
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Wow. I was actually planning to vote in this one, but that's far too many holds even at 1 hour per. I can't devote that much time to DROD. :(
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For the record, I will publicly out people who vote 10 for themselves and 1 for everyone else. Don't make me do it. Please.
In the future, why don't we require everyone to vote the other entries 1, for the same reasons we require them to vote their own 10? :fun

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Since I'm now the second person to [vote]...
I'm third! :D

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And I'm fourth!

I voted everything on two scales of 5 each. I choose a 1 out of 5 score for how much of it I could complete, and 1 out of 5 for how fun it was, then added the two numbers together. It came out pretty fair I think. I really liked the Goolean hold, although I still can't kill that first snake! Even with the extra help! Can I have a hint in the way of a PM? It's the only one I want to continue after my hour.
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My ratings system is as follows (I'm done 8 or 9 holds so far):

3 for Fun

Basically, how much did I enjoy playing this hold? If I got frustrated or just blazed through, expect a lower mark

2 for Difficulty

If I was stumped for a bit, but not to long, expect a 2. If it was way to easy, or if I was cursing at it, expect a 1 or a 0.

2 for Creativity

If it was all roaches, completely uninventive, then this won't be a very good mark

2 for Design

How well did the hold go together? This is where things like the coherence of the theme (if there is one) come into play.

1 for Serving Size

This contest-specific mark is based on how well it fit the contest. I may get flamed to death for it, but that's just how I like it (no, I'm not saying that every hold needs to attempt to serve itself to me. I'm talking about the rules, not the idea).
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Finished. When does this poll end? I'd like to know so I can post my comments in an untiltime tag and vote.

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Finished. When does this poll end? I'd like to know so I can post my comments in an untiltime tag and vote.
It says above each question - "Poll will close in ________". Right now, it's 1 week 4 days, which would be sometime on Satuday November 4th, it seems.
It doesn't display minutes until it's under a week remaining, I think.

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Fine, I suppose I'll reveal my comments on November 5th, midnight then, just to be safe.

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Man, and am i in an impasse!

I'm not able to play a set time on holds.
I must vote a ten for a chance of making it through.

What do i do???

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Man, and am i in an impasse!

I'm not able to play a set time on holds.
I must vote a ten for a chance of making it through.

What do i do???
Huh?

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Uh, the idea is that you play the hold until

a) you finish it
b) one hour elapses

You then rate it, whether you didn't finish it, completed it, mastered it, what have you.

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I can also confirm that #19 is solvable. It's very clever.

I spent a good amount of time on this one
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And what's with Shortness? (#23) Is this actually an entry?

Which of #14 and #24 is the final? :huh

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Could someone explain limits to me?
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And what's with Shortness? (#23) Is this actually an entry?
There is in fact more than one room.
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I'm hesitant to say too much about the entrants, lest I throw off the voting, but: Shortness is, as promised, short. Though it may not be as short as it appears; play around with it. (Also, almost all the holds are anyone-edit, which is a major advantage for holds you want to evaluate but which you can't finish, either because they're broken or because you just can't figure out what to do.)

As for "Limits", well, I'll admit that I couldn't really figure out what was going on.

(By the way, Chaco, for the sake of keeping the thread from being hard to read: you did put the long part of your post in a secret tag, in addition to behind a revealtime tag, I hope? I'll likely do the same...)
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Wow. I was actually planning to vote in this one, but that's far too many holds even at 1 hour per. I can't devote that much time to DROD. :(
It is very unlikely it will take 27 hours of gameplay. First, #14 and #24 are in fact versions of the same entry, so there are really only 26. Second, very few of them I did not complete within the hour - most of them much less. In fact, a few of them under 10 minutes, and many under 30. And besides - you still have around a week and a half yet to get through them all.

But I agree, is it still quite a large commitment to vote.

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Since entry #24 is mistakenly the same as entry #14 do we:

1. wait for a proper entry for download?
2. vote each entry the same value?

If there is another hold to be played, I'll wait.
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Since entry #24 is mistakenly the same as entry #14 do we:

1. wait for a proper entry for download?
2. vote each entry the same value?

If there is another hold to be played, I'll wait.

No, I gather that the idea is that #14 shouldn't have been included. I'd go ahead and vote the same for each (at a guess, #24 was the intended final version, since it's the one with a real title).
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I'm partial to disregard votes for #14, but then that's exploitable, and #14 is actually first on the list so it's more likely to have accurate votes.

Plase vote the same for #14 and #24, and if there are differences we'll deal with it. I may average the two scores if it's particularly varied.

I've also removed entry #14 from the compilation and littered notes around asking people to use #24 instead.

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