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This place is just killing me over and over. I'm semi-sure that what I need to do is:

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This is my last room for 100%, too...

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There's a far better way to deal with this room, however.

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I feel like an idiot!
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I'm impressed Dimitris did it that way.
I didn't know it was possible.

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Ah - cunning! Thanks.

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A very clever room!
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I did it the hard way, and then loaded up the low-move leader demo of the easy way and feel really stupid. Good times.

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OK stuck again, I have read all the posts and have been trying to do it the hard way, trying to figure out the easy way and can't get either, could someone please give me a easy to follow tip for the easy way. I have tried cutting off the rock giants way thru to me and can get him to press all the plates, tried cutting off the guards direct approach to me but that doesn't seem to work either, really need help again.

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Edit: TripleM beat me to it :D

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Which trapdoors? I've tried a # of combinations with the giant ending up stuck.
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Basics of brained rock giant movement: (1) Like all brained monsters, it follows the quickest path to you, but certain objects, including force arrows, are treated as obstacles it cannot cross. (2) Although the monster is 2x2, only one square is actually doing its pathfinding. To see what I mean, from the checkpoint in this room, move 3xN, W, 3xS. The giant gets stuck because its pathfinding square can see a way to you, and it tells the giant to go in a way that it cannot move.

Therefore, you need to cut off all 1x1 routes towards you except the one you want the giant to take. The key trapdoors to remove are
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Nuntar wrote:
Basics of brained rock giant movement: (1) Like all brained monsters, it follows the quickest path to you, but certain objects, including force arrows, are treated as obstacles it cannot cross. (2) Although the monster is 2x2, only one square is actually doing its pathfinding. To see what I mean, from the checkpoint in this room, move 3xN, W, 3xS. The giant gets stuck because its pathfinding square can see a way to you, and it tells the giant to go in a way that it cannot move.

Therefore, you need to cut off all 1x1 routes towards you except the one you want the giant to take. The key trapdoors to remove are
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thanks, that was it.
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The challenge for this room appears to be broken or badly worded.

Attached is a demo that should trigger it, according to the directions on the scroll.

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All challenges in official holds require you to clear the room as well as meet the condition, unless the scroll explicitly states otherwise.

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Almost... I got the challenge almost done, but how do I get the brain AND the guard?

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Let the guard come to you. Guard pathfinding has a lot of similarities with brain pathmapping -- in particular, it treats force arrows as obstacles. So if you go over the arrows too soon, the guard won't see any paths that go round a corner.

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Let the guard come to you. Guard pathfinding has a lot of similarities with brain pathmapping -- in particular, it treats force arrows as obstacles. So if you go over the arrows too soon, the guard won't see any paths that go round a corner.

I'm assuming you want me to kill the brain, then step on the plate, and have the guard come to me; but the problem is, it has to go over a force arrow to get to me, and I exploit this to get him trapped to stay on the plate I want him to. So if I step on the plate, he won't budge.

I made my moves similar to how the "no challenge ???" demo guy did it.

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The guard doesn't have to stay on his pressure plate, he only has to step there for one turn to allow Gunthro to pass through the last door. Then the guard can come round the corner.

The guard will then step on one of the pressure plates that close the large door leading to the brain. How do you get around that problem?
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The guard doesn't have to stay on his pressure plate, he only has to step there for one turn to allow Gunthro to pass through the last door. Then the guard can come round the corner.

The guard will then step on one of the pressure plates that close the large door leading to the brain. How do you get around that problem?
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He doesn't move, though; that's the thing. At best he'll turn his sword.

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He does move if you leave a path open.

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He does move if you leave a path open.

And I did, like the one guy's demo? I used force arrows, though, so he wouldn't leave too soon.

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Guards and brained enemies can't path map over arrows.

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Guards and brained enemies can't path map over arrows.

Well... That just raises MORE questions. The demo I used as reference has the way out using force arrows.

How are you supposed to do it? Like, at all? Challenge preferred.

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You have to kill the golems on the first four pressure plates, then get far enough ahead of the guard that he will step on the last pressure plate when Beethro is already at the last door.

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Intended solution: kill the guard straight away - he's a red herring.

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Yes, but Camwoodstock is specifically going for the challenge.

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I... Give me a complete demo.

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I... Give me a complete demo.

I'm guessing you didn't leave a complete path for the guard to exit.
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