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And to confuse matters further, Wikipedia says your dad doesn't exist.
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And to confuse matters further, Wikipedia says your dad doesn't exist.
Citation needed.

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If Wikipedia did not exist, it would be necessary for man to invent it.
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Father From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Jump to: navigation, search Notepad To comply with Wikipedia's quality standards, this article may need to be rewritten. Please help improve this article. The discussion page may contain suggestions. For other uses, see Father (disambiguation). "Dad" redirects here. For other uses, see Dad (disambiguation). "Fatherhood" redirects here. For other uses, see Fatherhood (disambiguation). Father with child Father with child The father is defined as the male parent of an offspring.[1] The adjective "paternal" refers to father, parallel to "maternal" for mother. According to the anthropologist Maurice Godelier, the parental role assumed by human males is a critical difference between human society and that of humans' closest biological relatives - chimpanzees and bonobos - who appear to be unaware of their "father" connection.[2][3] Furthermore, your dad doesn't exist.

EDIT: Don't bother looking, the last sentence was erased by vandals.

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I knew it was all a lie!

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... I just wrote ... 5, no 6 times and erased it 4 times. Out of sheer shock. Also: What if one invokes the temporal loop, thereby sending a creator back in time to create things that will lead to it's existence? Then what happens?

Furthermore (all these are part of the thread): How long is a Chinese name?

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Sillyman wrote:How long is a Chinese name?

Depends on if his parents are good painters or not.

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It also depends on whether Riki Tiki Tembo No Sa Rembo Chari Bari Ruchi Pip Peri Pembo has fallen into the well yet.

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Because if he has, then the name will be short.

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I'm going to agree with you. "How Long" is (potentially) a Chinese name.

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So the answer to that "un-answerable" question is just "Yes"?

Sounds interesting. :hmmm:

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I'd say the answer was more 'maybe'. Or perhaps '42', because that was bound to crop up in this thread at some point.
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Jacob wrote:
I'm going to agree with you. "How Long" is (potentially) a Chinese name.

That is correct.

However, my previous question is still open:

"What if one invokes the temporal loop, thereby sending a creator back in time to create things that will lead to it's existence? Then what happens?"

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...then it all works out nicely, doesn't it?

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Except... how does the loop begin?

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Douglas N. Adams wrote:
Anything that happens, happens.

Anthing that, in happening, causes something else to happen, causes something else to happen.

Anything that, in happening, causes itself to happen again, happens again.

It doesn't necessarily do it in chronological order, though.
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We're off that topic and I seem to have beat you to it anyway.

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Snacko wrote:
We're off that topic
No, we only just got to the topic of events causing themselves. You were ahead of your time.

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and I seem to have beat you to it anyway.
I couldn't claim I noticed; but a discussion of temporal loops must be the best place to repeat somebody else's post, right? O:-
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Znirk wrote:
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We're off that topic
No, we only just got to the topic of events causing themselves. You were ahead of your time.

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and I seem to have beat you to it anyway.
I couldn't claim I noticed; but a discussion of temporal loops must be the best place to repeat somebody else's post, right? O:-

Indeed, let's just hope that post doesn't start up the Rainbow Game again (hint, hint).

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As for my thoughts on the matter, I believe that all existence is created by prior existence, this is more or less a scientifically proven fact. True that the universe probably stretches forwards and back throughout all time especially considering that time, though an abstract concept, more or less exists, if only conceptually. When time began, so did the universe.

It really is much simpler than I'm making it. Consider these:

Existence comes from prior Existence
As long as time existed, there was Existence


This, of course, brings up the problem of the beginning of time. Considering the above, there are only two answers:

1) We do not exist.

Perhaps a bit drastic for our purposes and most definitions of Existence define what we perceive, or believe to perceive, to exist in some form anyway.

2) Somehow later Existence begot the beginning of Existence.

If this is true, the "temporal time loops", something existing because of itself, is completely necessary. So the answer to your question is: all that is, the, Alpha and Omega is you will. If it was a being that did this, that being would be God, but I consider that unlikely. I think that, no matter how small the possibility of something happening, no matter how unlikely it is that it would happen, it will eventually happen if given an infinite amount of time, see "chimps writing Hamlet".

So time, or rather the failure of time to remain constant, created both itself and all else.

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Nice one there. Your question?

Edit: Actually, I have a really good one.

The two statements below are false.
The statement above is true.
This is a statement.
Is the above statement true?

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Sillyman wrote:
The two statements below are false. False
The statement above is true. False
This is a statement. True
Is the above statement true? Of course!

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But... if the second one is false, that means that the first one says the following 2 statements are true, but then the second one says it's true, so it's actually false, but it's actually true, because of what I mentioned above, but then it's false, then true, then false, then... :toohard

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Nah. RoboBob3000's answer is just fine.

The two statements below are false - False

That is, (both) the two statements below are not false. In other words, at least one of the two statements is true. At least that's how I interpret it.
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Yeah, Doom's right. Sorry, but you kinda screwed this one up: the negation of "A and B are false" is not "A and B are true" but "It's not the case that [A and B are false]".
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In other words, either A or B is true. (I just don't like double negatives.)

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Better answer than the one I was hoping for. But yes, the statement is true. Because it can be verified independently of the other statements that the third statement is a statement.

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What was the answer that you were hoping for?
or is it too early to ask that?

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I already said my answer...

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I think he was expecting the answer 'Yes'...
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