Weg
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I have just downloaded the free game of Drod and it seems good.
Are there any drod games that forum members has done and can I try them out or do I have to get the full program first.


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I would recomand downloading the demo version of TCB here, (unless you've already done so) and then starting to look at usermade holds here. This way you can play all user made holds ever made using the latest software.

Of course I also recomand you to actually buy the full version of TCB

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Weg
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I think I will bye the full version as I like what I see so far.
Will try other peoples first and later in the week will commit my self to paying some money out, but it seems very reasonable.


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Weg wrote:
I think I will bye the full version as I like what I see so far.
Will try other peoples first and later in the week will commit my self to paying some money out, but it seems very reasonable.

As an extra bit of advice, I'd recommend actually playing The City Beneath (TCB) only after you've played the original two releases (King's Dugan Dungeon (KDD) and Journey to the Rooted Hold (JtRH)) as these introduce you to all the original game elements. TCB introduces lots of new stuff but assumes you already know about the original ones...

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I don't know, I'm not a big fan of JtRH and I'm not sure that TCB is too tough for people that haven't played the previous ones in the series. Most of the puzzles are built around the new elements.

But then I really like TCB.

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I really think that if someone's going to get just one, he/she should get TCB.

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Jatopian wrote:
I really think that if someone's going to get just one, he/she should get TCB.

I would disagree. I would recommend that he/she should start with JtRH. It's damned good, and it prepares you well for TCB.

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I agree with Calamarain and Syntax. Journey to Rooted Hold is a great hold for new DROD players. It is a reasonably thorough exploration of all the version 2.0 game elements with a nice difficulty curve - easy at the beginning to pretty tough at the end of 25 levels.

I truly enjoyed The City Beneath as well, but don't think it's as good a place to start. It introduces new game elements on top of the version 2.0 game elements. TCB does a good job teaching us about the new game elements. However, it assumes the player is already familiar with the old elements, with only 1 or 2 trivially easy tutorial rooms devoted to each.

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Syntax wrote:
As an extra bit of advice, I'd recommend actually playing The City Beneath (TCB) only after you've played the original two releases (King's Dugan Dungeon (KDD) and Journey to the Rooted Hold (JtRH)) as these introduce you to all the original game elements.

I was only reiterating the opinion of the designers (with which I agree).

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If I may express my most humble opinion, I believe that KDD, to put it plainly is quite bad, and JtRH introduces all elements, also the one in KDD, excellently. I therefore think that there is no reason to play KDD at all(unless you already played some holds, got the feel for the game and want to try out a broader range of holds).

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Dex Stewart wrote:
If I may express my most humble opinion, I believe that KDD, to put it plainly is quite bad, and JtRH introduces all elements, also the one in KDD, excellently. I therefore think that there is no reason to play KDD at all(unless you already played some holds, got the feel for the game and want to try out a broader range of holds).

Wow...I couldn't disagree with you more strongly, Dex.

KDD is showing its age, to be sure. It contains puzzles of a type that are discouraged these days: orb puzzles, trapdoors under tar, backtracking issues, etc. But it's still the original, and IMO it's extremely well-done.

The difficulty curve is much shallower in KDD -- JtRH reaches high difficulty levels very early.

I would recommend that people start with KDD2.0, be aware of a few specific warning points (like the backtracking issue on Level 8), and not be afraid to switch to JtRH when they feel like it.

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Huh? I never encountered a backtracking problem on the Eighth Level(official name).

Maybe it's because I didn't. Yeah, that's gotta be it.
Edit: So what backtracking problem ore you talking about?

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To the east of the level, there is a room you can only get to if you use a specific exit out of the previous room right after clearing it.

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I believe that was fixed for 2.0.

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Jatopian wrote:
I believe that was fixed for 2.0.

Nope. I've only ever played 2.0, and I got bitten by this problem. It gave me added appreciation for the effort one needs to put in to prevent backtracking issues.

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Huh? I thought we were discussing the one in 3S3E.

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I'm only aware of two possible backtracking issue in the Eighth Level of KDD, and both are now fixed in KDD 2.0. Which leaves the only possibility I can think of to be trapping yourself on the other side of a green door by clearing a room and then making some more Tar Babies.

Otherwise, it's possible to visit every room from any other room even when the entire level is cleared.

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TFMurphy wrote:
I'm only aware of two possible backtracking issue in the Eighth Level of KDD, and both are now fixed in KDD 2.0. Which leaves the only possibility I can think of to be trapping yourself on the other side of a green door by clearing a room and then making some more Tar Babies.

Otherwise, it's possible to visit every room from any other room even when the entire level is cleared.

As I'm looking at the room map for KDD2.0 3S3E, it seems that there are green doors in places where I don't recall them being previously. Maybe I didn't actually play KDD2.0 after all? I thought that I had.

I certainly had to backtrack in 3S3E (Eighth Level) because I didn't exit north after conquering the room. But the version I played had secret rooms and checkpoints...I sure thought it was 2.0.

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The DROD: AE version available on the Holds board also has checkpoints. Although no rooms are marked as secret in that version (because the concept didn't exist back then) there are plenty of unrequired rooms, such as the warp rooms, the level 15 backtracking rooms, and a couple of easter eggs. (as well as everybody's favorite Eighth Level room, hidden by a secret wall and yet not a secret, and required on top of that)

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I definitely fixed the 3S2E backtracking problem in KDD2.0 before release, so I think Josh is just misremembering.

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Oneiromancer wrote:
I definitely fixed the 3S2E backtracking problem in KDD2.0 before release, so I think Josh is just misremembering.

Must be. As you get older, the brain starts to go.

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jbluestein wrote:

Must be. As you get older, the brain starts to go.

Jsho

Was that last error on purpose? It would be kind of fitting considering what you write

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Blondbeard wrote:

jbluestein wrote:
Must be. As you get older, the brain starts to go.

Jsho

Was that last error on purpose? It would be kind of fitting considering what you write

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