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+ is addition, ^ is fix, * is change.

Version 9 (RC1)

+ New Challenge in Chronolabs: 1N1W
+ Added a map image for TI.
^Fixed OR: 1E, ToBB: 2N & 1N1E, PBT: 3S2E
* TSRA: 2S is now harder.
*Shuffled around the map icons in TI. This may have effects if you've already visited TI.
*Hold is now You and Masters edit level.

Version 8 Changes:

+ 5 more rooms in Palace Beyond Time, 4 of which are postmaster content.
^Fixed 'Insoluble Arrows' and 'I Make My Own Doors' challenges
*Hold is now You and Conquerors edit level.

Version 7 Changes:

+ A whole bunch of post-conquer content in Palace Beyond Time
+ A new secret room in Tomb of Bu' Baal
+ A new challenge or two
^ Fixed Nowhen: 3S1E for updated Orange Chronovores
^ Fixed US in Chronolabs: 2N
* Reduced Timesplits in Chronolabs: 2N2E


Version 6:

+New Level: Chronolabs
+New Level: Regulator Chambers
+The Ending
+New room in Nowhen
+A few more challenges
^Bubblegun should now always work
^Fixed several places in Imperial Tunnels where you could kill the Slayer
^Fixed other unintended solutions
*Imperial Tunnels: 2E no longer ends with Gentryii being released.
*Imperial Tunnels: 4E is now different.
*Orange Chronovores now work somewhat differently.
*Probably other minor changes I forgot.

Version 5:

+New Level: Imperial Tunnels
*Nowhen: 4S3E is now secret
*Constructs have never been in a Bubble Gun room.
^Probably less Unintended Solutions
^Probably spelling and grammar corrections.


Version 4:

+New Level: Nowhen (returning to RV: 2E should make it appear on the map)
+Two new challenges, both in Overgrown Ruins
^Removed several unintended solutions:
>TSRA: 1S1W (again)
>TSRA: 1S2W
>TRSA: 1S1E (which also makes it harder)
>TRSA: 3S
>OR: 3S1W (this probably breaks all demos, since various things have been added)
>OR: 3S2W (by extending a door by one tile.)
>OR: 2S

Version 3:

+Exposition in River Valley
+New Level: Overgrown Ruins
+There is also a map
+(Incomplete Level: Nowhen can be accessed from the editor)
^Removed US from TRSA 1S1W, hopefully permanently

Version 2:

^Removed USs from TRSA in 1S1W, 1S1E, and 2S1E
^Removed US from RV: 2S2E
^/*Rewired pressure plates in TRSA: 1S2W
*RV Entrance and 1E are now somewhat different.

×1S: A wonderful intro puzzle!
2S: Only one temporal clone token is needed.
1S2W: Okay. Time limit for gel portion may be a little generous - I had 24 moves left to spare, and I wasn't trying that hard. The pressure plates underneath the gel only seem useful for making the player do the other section first; could be removed to reduce the amount of waiting.
1S2E: Very easy when you take each section one at a time.
1S1E: First part was good. Second part is trivial since there is no hurry to start the lower section; you can hit all the orbs at the top before you even pass the vision token the second time. 1S1W: I'm not sure what was intended here. First clone hit the western orb and stepped on the pressure plate. The second clone killed the aumtlich, deactivated the seeding beacon, stepped on the conquer token, and left.
2S1E: Demo attached of what I can only assume is an unintended solution.
Unsolved: 2S1W, secret

×Entrance: Very easy
1E: Very easy
1S1E: Okay room
2S2E: Very easy; the switch to the mini-caber was useless.
1S3E: My favourite room I've played so far; very nice!
Unsolved: Secret, 3E

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TA Notes:

TSRA:
1S -> easy
1S2E -> You must hate optimizers, but it isn't too hard to just wait and do things in a smart order.
1S1E -> Slightly intimidating, not too hard really. I know I broke it. One thing I'd say is that it feels more like a room where you have to do two things efficiently instead of a room that wouldn't work without time clones.
1S1W, not sure of intended solution. Probably broke it. Could be an interesting room.
1S2W, decent but broken efficiency room.
2S, it would be cool if this room could only be left to the south after clearing the room with a clone left unused.
3S, a bit finicky to get some stuff working. Various non-obvious timeclone quirks, but I figured it out w/ experimentation. I suspect I slightly broke it.
I also might be able to break the room more if I really put some work into it.

2S1W and 2S1E -> both finicky and potentially breakable. The thing about "lots of weapons rooms" is that it's an easy way to start a room, but can end up being very involved, which is how these feel. Not necessarily bad, but a lot of work.

RV
Overall much less involved.
Entrance - simple enough
1E pretty easy
1S1E can be solved with only one puff.
I forgot to take notes on the rest of the level, but nothing really annoyed me and it wasn't too tough. All less difficult than the time stuff on the first level and generally fun.

OR:
Entrance, simple intro room.
1S1E: pretty quick, used 4 decoys
1E: kind of finicky orb puzzle.
1S2E not too tough, broken wall section not needed.
2E quick little slaughter room.
2S1E more slaughter
2S I abusively waited on the arrows to kill things
1W, 1S1W quick slaughter
2S1W, pretty simple, I entertain myself by trying to break rooms.
2S2W for a second I was worried you were going to do something horrible with brained gentryii.
2W brains are dumb
3S1W I break things, probably a cool room otherwise.
Bubble gun rooms, not immediately obvious that I could push, but not too hard to guess after giving up on other interactions.

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1S and 2S are quite a bit easier than the rest of the level, but I guess they are there to set the theme. 2S only requires one token to clear.

2S1W and 3S are both really busy and a bit overwhelming at first. I enjoyed both rooms in the end, and don't know that much could be done to clan them up. But fair warning that these rooms may be a bit of a turn off to some players due to the chaotic looking setup.

I think 1S1W is still slightly broken. The only reason I went into the east passage at all was to turn off the force arrow.

River Valey
1E A generous architect may be inclined to put a tunnel here after the conquer token to save the delver from having to go all the way back through the passage.
1S1E I didn't need all four puffs to solve. You can still solve it with just one but I guess you'd need at least two to access the secret.
1S The speed potion makes the pressure plates in the main area ineffective since you can step on the fire trap still. I guess they are just for the challenge?
3E I didn't need the tunnels. Possible challenge?

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1S1W: I found two solutions. One used the pressure plate at (33,11), the other used the plate at (26,11). Demos of both solutions attached.

2S2E: I didn't need the green doors at all. Unintended solution or red herring? In the first recording I stepped on the plate at (23,11) immediately after the first stab. This let me take out two segments before the briar started to grow. I feel like I was intended to have the clone and Beethro work in tandem though. Demos of both solutions attached.

3S2E: It may be nice to have the script that gives the text for the new monster only have an "end" after 5 or ten turns of wait. I say this because an optimizer will probably duck into this room for 1 turn just to get the best entrance for 2S2E and could easily miss it (I almost did).

4S2E: In my failed attempt to use the red Chronovore to get past the blue gate, I discovered that it will not reappear if I kill it and leave the room before hitting the conquer token. This renders the room impossible I think.

4S3E: This room is going to be tricky to optimize, but it's one of those time clone rooms that's fairly easy if you just wait it out and do all three clones disjointly. If you want to force the use of all time clones simultaneously you may want to put some sort of timer.

4S1E: What was the red door for? It feels like my solutions was the intended one but I can't shake the feeling that I was supposed to use it for something.

3S1E: The orange Chronovores here reappeared after I cleared the room.

3S: I didn't use the tunnels at all.

5S: No thanks.

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×1E: This was a straightforward little wraithwing room. Almost tutorial like, which made me thing this would be a wraithwing heavy level. In retrospect it feels a bit out of place with the rest of the level.

1N2E: This is a good solid slayer room. There are several nice little widgets that require the slayer's participation.I particularly liked the pressure plates in the middle (that release the citizen.)

2N2E: A bit more trial and error than the last room, but still fun. Again, I have to keep the slayer alive to get through the room which is good.

2N3E: Probably my favorite room in the level. I like the use of slayer pushing mechanics.

1N3E: Another fun room. Fairly straightforward horde management, but lots of fun.

1N4E: Here's where things start to break down a bit. It's really easy to kill the slayer on the corners provided at the beginning of the room. After that it's still an okay efficiency room, but I feel like the intent was to have the slayer hassle the player and help with roach cleanup. Possibly consider putting a widget by the brain that requires the slayer's participation for the end of the room.

3E: I need the slayer for the first chamber, but after clearing the gel, I killed him using this method:
http://forum.caravelgames.com/viewtopic.php?TopicID=30782
The rest of the room can be done without him. It wouldn't be to hard to include tarstuff that requires multi-stabbing in other chambers to necessitate keeping him around for longer.

4E: I used the same method as the previous room to kill the slayer in the beginning. I feel like I also may have broken the intended solution of the room. I suspect the slayer was supposed to help with the various pressure plate trap door combos.

2E: For a gentryii room this starts off not being too terrible. The lynchpin of using the slayer to block the gentryii is manageable. I did not hate this part of the room (which is saying a lot for me). But once you hit the conquer token the room falls into the usually trope of releasing all the gentryii at the player for no good reason. I get that I'm probably supposed to block the gentryii with a combination of using the slayer and getting them caught up in their own chains but I just don't have it in me. I'm sure some players will find this fun, but this seems an order of magnitude more difficult than the rest of the level so far.

I didn't take a look at the secret rooms yet since I can't get to them without clearing the gentrii room of tears.

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2W: For a room that involves brained gentryii this was surprisingly straightforward. As long as you know that on fire traps are brain visible obstacles while off pressure plates are not it's pretty clear what to do. This is actually easier than many of the required rooms.

1W: Fun room. I'd already pretty much finished it before I got to the central island with the checkpoints though. It may be nice to include checkpoints on the outer non-oremite islands, or at least the southern one (which is the most natural place to try to optimize).

The entrance: A fine combat room to introduce the level. The gentryii just hanging out in the lower right seems a bit odd though. I'm pretty sure there's no way to interact with it.

1E: I found it incredibly hard to parse what each pressure plate/bomb combo would do since there isn't really a great way to see which order the bombs will set off the orb in. So I just broke the room instead. Also, I would recommend doing a corridor with arrow/caber token/arrow instead of having the arrow directly on the token, as this can be hard to read.

1S3W: I finally got this one with your hint! This version is definitely less fiddly than the one with the slayer.

1S2W: Not too terrible for a gentryii room

1S1W: Though this room is pretty straightforward, it would be good form to include at least one checkpoint.

1S1E: Fun room! Again, it should probably have at least one checkpoint (right before you take the potions seems ideal). This room also has a caber token right on top of a force arrow (which can be hard to read) but it may be difficult to change that due to the elaborate widget at the entrance of the potion nook.

1S2E: Really fun room! This level is making me love daggers.

1S3E: I like that you provided an easy means of exiting the room at the end.

2S2W: Ugh, brained gentryii and I don't mix. I managed it, but I never want to see another brained gentryii again.

2S1W: Fairly straightforward adder feeding room. Still fun though.

2S: This room was lots of fun. It does have the spear token on the same tile as an arrow and a pressure plate though. It shouldn't bee too hard to spread those things apart a bit for improved readability.

2S1E: This one has a spear token on an arrow that could easily be replaced by a trapdoor.

2S2E: Neat! I love the bubble gun. It may be nice to put a scroll informing the player that you pick up the sword again by walking over the green door. It took me forever to figure out how to get back south of this room again after I had cleared it and gone north. I thought it was a backtracking issue at first!

3S2W: The first part of this room is not too bad. The second part, on the other hand, relies on chain straightening mechanics. I didn't spend all that much time on it before just giving up, but I'll try to give it another shot later. Also, this room has a couple of weapon tokens on force arrows.

3S1W: I broke this one. You'll want to do something to prevent the player from just plopping the dagger decoy down on the conquer token.

3S1E: Fun room, I had to pay close attention to serpent timing, but it was fun. You have a weapon token on a force arrow at the beginning.

3S2E: I'm pretty sure I broke this one too, but only because I was able to enter with a sword. Was I not supposed to be able to do that. I feel like I was supposed to have the bubble gun instead.

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×First of all I finally managed to get Overgrown Ruins 3S2W after fiddling around with gentryii chain straightening mechanics for way too long. Also, because I am too dumb to bother checking what the pressure plates do, Challenge: Clear the room and exit without passing back south over the force arrows at (13,10) and (14,10). Okay, let us never speak of this room again.

Tomb of Bu' Baal
Did I mention that I love the bubble gun? Really fun mechanic. The scripting seems a bit wonky though. The first time I entered 1W and 1N1E the script didn't work and Beethro didn't seem to have the gun. After clearing a room I went back to these and it seemed to be fine. I haven't checked the script to see what the deal is, but something similar happened in one of the bubble gun rooms in Overgrown Ruins.
EDIT: After playing around a bit, it looks like I lose the bubble gun sometimes when restoring to a room, but pick it up again when I pass back through the entrance. This seems odd and I'm not sure why it happens.

1W: Fun little room. Not too difficult but a good use of the mechanic.

1N1W: This room seems functionally identical to the version in Overgrown Ruins. It's flipped vertically, but that shouldn't have any impact on gentryii behavior. I didn't try this one since it felt so redundant. I would encourage reworking this somehow so that there's at least some difference. Really, that room template has been used a couple times already and it would be nice to see something completely different. EDIT: Okay I see how this is different now. No sword to block things. So I just used the wraithwing instead of a bubble for everything, which actually made this the easiest version of the room.

2N: I came super close to solving this without the time clones pushing anything. Blocked by the fact that Beethro can't push bubbles off a door with his body Oh well, I look forward to solving this the proper way once 5.1 is out.

1N1E: I'm not sure if I solved this one the proper way. I just shot the Aumtlich while I was being frozen

1E: I had a harder time with this one, but it was very interesting. I'm sure there are more efficient ways to do it than what I did, but I liked having to think up a setup with the bubbles that would effectively trap the goblins.

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+New room in Nowhen
Looks good! Recorded a demo

+A few more challenges
I tried some out & recorded demos.

+New Level: Chronolabs
I'm glad you explored this mechanic. I really enjoyed it in the final level of TSS and it's fun to see the idea used some more.
1N and 2N were a nice introduction to the mechanic.
1N1W was a lot of fun. It reminded me a bit of the rooms I enjoyed on the first level.
2N1W I'm just really not into orb puzzles. I gave this one a pass, but I'll try to come back to it. I'm sure there's an interesting trick at least.
2N2W I managed to get by with placing two tokens out of the available 4. blorx will probably get it with 1. Fun room though.
2N1E I really enjoyed this one! It took me a bit to figure out a way to get it to work. This was some fun timeline manipulation.
2N2E I got it with placing 1 token out of the available 2, and to be honest I don't think the second token would actually make things any easier and may be unnecessary. I guess check what other testers think though. But the easiest strategy for me was to just plop a time clone down as a decoy and pick off the goblins with Beethro.
1N1E

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Regulator Chambers I love this level and wish it had been longer. This reminds me of the neat Eye of the Storm mechanic, except that it's completely predictable. No real comments on the rooms themselves. They were all fun, and though fairly straightforward, the mechanic lends them an urgent feeling that is very appropriate for a final level. I know that you are working on post-conquer stuff at the moment, but I'd really love to see this level expanded. It was pretty great.

EDIT: Small typo in the level entry text. "Due to the miscalculation that had starting..." should read "Due to the miscalculation that had started..."

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×Nowhen 5S: Cleared it. The scroll is appropriate
Imperial Tunnels 2N1W: Not nearly as bad as it looked.

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+ A new secret room in Tomb of Bu' Baal:
Not bad. For a skipper nest room it did not feel annoying.

^ Fixed Nowhen: 3S1E for updated Orange Chronovores
This seems to work properly now.

^ Fixed US in Chronolabs: 2N
I don't recall what the US was, but I think it's fixed.

+ A whole bunch of post-conquer content in Palace Beyond Time
No kidding! This is a lot of post game content. I didn't finish everything yet, but here are some thoughts anyway. I'll start with the East side first since it was more fun.
1E: Pretty straightforward snake manipulation. I enjoyed it, but I'm not gonna lie, I made heavy use of U.U.
1S1E: It took me forever to figure this one out! It was such a simple solution too. The room to the east and the cracked walls were a nice misdirection. I love simple rooms like this that have an elegant solution that is not immediately apparent. Very nice.
2S1E: This was mostly trial and error for me. my strategy was to cancel the clone as soon as reasonably possible (since he's mostly a liability) and to try to get some golem piles to hide behind. Seems to have worked.
2E: Did I break this? I only used one split, but it feels like this may be the intended solution?
1S2E: Another terrific room. This pair with the red chronovors was super. Good stuff.
2S2E: I enjoyed this room a lot, but I feel like it maybe has too much going on. I really enjoyed all the various parts along the way, but one of the troubles with time clone rooms like this is that you have to constantly re-play the bits at the beginning to get the bits at the end right. Especially with the somewhat tricky aumtlich manipulation at the end, I feel like I must have re-played the first half of the room a dozen or so times. I like all the various parts of this room, but can't help feel that it would be better off split into two rooms.
1S3E: Nice little horde room.

The West side was more hit or miss for me.
2W: I had to look up the original room for comparison. This was an interesting variant I suppose. Emphasis on speed over stealth. Not excessively difficult, which is actually a plus. It was nice to have a room that wasn't super draining on this side.
1S2W: I haven't solved this one. And to be honest, I'm finding the horde combat with the spear to be super tiresome. I'll try to get back to it, but it's not my favorite room.
2S2W: This was a fun variation. I really enjoyed Regulator chambers, so it was neat to see another version of this room.
1W: This was a but exhausting. Some of the slayer manipulation was on the fiddly side (says the one who set things up to kill the slayer at the end just prove he could do it.)
2S1S: Haven't gotten this one either. But it's late and I'm tired, so I'm not really in the right mindset for a horde room like this. I'll try it again later.

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River Valley:

Nice and simple level, no major comments here. Haven't managed to reach the secret room yet.


Is any background image for the map planned?


Nowhen: (cool name, by the way)




Overgrown Ruins:

×Imperial Tunnels:



Tomb of Bu' Baal:

×Chronolobs:

Pretty difficult, but all the rooms felt very satisfying to solve. Very nice level! Difficulty feels just right.

Only one thing that I think might not have been entirely intended: I kind of thought I only had two temporal splits for 1N1W, so I made it harder on myself and did some crazy pushing shenanigans. Maybe add a challenge for this solution? Cause I think it's kind of cool.


Regulator Chambers:

This is just totally awesome! Also glad you decided to reuse the snake mechanic a bit in Palace Beyond Time; this is definitely my favourite custom element in the hold.


Palace Beyond Time:

Some more nice rooms, I like them! I might have broken some, but I'll put that in the broken list.

The only thing I really don't like is 2S1W; I just can't see a way to approach this that isn't entirely trial and error. Don't think I'll solve this one any time soon.

Surprisinly, 4S1W was a lot more approachable.

The splitter rooms were really cool in this level. Also really liked 2S2W and 3S2E (if done the intended way).

×TSRA:
1S2W: Fire traps not connected to anything. Intended?
2S: Only one time clone necessary.
2S1W: Cool lynchpin, but seems a bi too hard for the level.

N:
1S1W: Feels broken.
4S2E: Remove repeating dialog after clearing the room?
4S1E: Probably broken.

OR:
3S2E: Possible with only three bubble rubbles. Don't know if this needs to be "fixed".
1E: Badly broken.
3S1W: Okay, I see why you need the doors. Still my solution feels a bit weird. Is this intended?

IT:
2N3E: Either broken or pretty easy.

ToBB:
1N1E: Most likely broken.
2N: Possibly broken.

C:
1N: Dialog gets repeated even after clearing the room. Maybe remove that?

TEoTE:
Typo in intro text, "had reach[ed]" I guess.

PBT:
1W: Might be broken, or a really cool red herring. (Used the slayer and a golem rubble to hold down the pressure plates)
2S1W: Feels very trial and errory. Not liking this. Maybe it's just cause I haven't solved it yet, though.
1S1E: Also quite possibly broken, or another neat red herring.
3S2W: Definitely broken, in the silliest of ways.

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My Published Holds
Smitemasters' Selection - Finding the First Truth
Smitemasters' Selection - Treacle Stew
My YouTube Channel - Leylite

Holds I contributed levels to

Advanced Concepts
Advanced Concepts 2
Blind Race #1: On Your Marks
The Custom Element Contest Compilation
Doorless Hold Contest Compilation
DROD Flash Project Audition
DROD History Month
Elemental Showcase
Elemental Showcase 5.0
Good, Bad and Ugly Contest Compilation
King Dugan's Alternate Reality
Labyrinth of Mellenfral (unpublished contest compilation)
Lunchbreak Special
Lunchbreak Special 2 (unpublished contest compilation)
Take Five
The Mining Business
Twelve Days of Christmas
Way Forward

Holds in the Making

...MYSTERY PROJECT

Styles

Workshop - DROD 5.0
Voids - DROD 3.0
Cavern Redux - DROD 2.0
Laboratory - DROD AE
Snakepit - DROD AE
Twenty-Sixth Level - DROD AE

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Beginning entrance screen: "To begin a clearing of a remote..." to begin clearing a remote... sounds better to me.

River Valley cut scene (1st time thru) in 2E Beethro says "Smitermaster"
Cronolab should be Chronolab

Nowhen entrance screen "It was a simple curiosity" should probably be 'it was simple curiosity'
A team of explores = explorers

also, in 1S1W what are firetraps for?
4S1E 0nly need one mirror

Imperial Tunnels Entrance screen - 'spirally' should be spiral
2N can be completed in parts - exit west to secret room then complete lower half from western entrance.

Chronolabs Entrance cutscene "arbitary" should be arbitrary
1N - timesplitter instructions: "when it's timer..." remove apostrophe.

I returned to River Valley after completing OR/Nowhen/IR (trying to find the crystal I had overlooked on completing OR), and I have attached a screenshot from when I returned to the Level Select screen.

All the duplicates are clickable and send you to the appropriate level. Once I found that 3rd crystal, only the northern chronolab icon unlocked. I restored to before entering River Valley and played through but the double screen persists. I did begin this hold with an earlier version before updating to the latest so I don't know if the problem lies there?

As a general comment, the levels definitely could use some hallway checkpoints, especially TSRA since there's a not-backtrackable secret room.

Several of the rooms in TSRA are kind of visually intimidating but actually fun if you just dive in and play. Which I think will be an important comment to make in a review once this is promoted, because there are some challenging but quite satisfying puzzles and it'd be a shame to put off a delver just because some rooms *look* confusing. Especially since this is the first level, and the difficulty ramps down somewhat after getting through.