Jacob wrote:
I've liked a lot of what I've played, but have come across some problems.

Prologue: No idea what the entrance text is about. "Clear" is spelled "cleat".
Entrance/1S - no-one likes arrows on room entrances, what are they for?

I put the arrows because if you go abck to the entrance the speech will start again ( I'm not so good in scripting and the R and T are near on the keyboard I mispelled it xD) the text is for a little story, if it's useless I will delete it.

1S - Puzzle's quite good. No need for the three separate yellow doors if the orb behind the green door opens them all.
Liked the rest of the rooms on this level, but 1N1E is weird - why the secret walls I need to bash through to get to the puzzle? Why is the puzzle in the SW corner of the room?
You'll need a checkpoint somewhere in the puzzle section, rather than just in the entrance to it - it's annoying to do the first bit again and again.

I see I'll fix this a bit
Road to the Crypt - generally fine brained horde/snake rooms. Not much to say. Hitting the orb incessantly with a decoy may annoy some who play with sound on - might want to change this to a cracked orb in TCB.

Obligations and Subterraney are odd names for levels. The latter's not a word, for a start.

I thought about that, sorry but I'm not so good in english I learned it on my own
But did you like those levels?

Potion Land 1W - two major points here. (1) It's possible to complete this room without leaving the entrance section (without crossing the tar at all).If this is intended, please put a checkpoint there, or add some more in places where the mimic will step. If not, you might want to change the room and to include it as a secret room variant. (2) Exiting W or S means you can't re-enter, and the hold is broke. I stopped playing here.

No you're supposed to use the other mimics to help you get to the invisibility potion; about the backtracking problem thanks for reporting I'll fix it. I'll add that solution as a secret room the current one as required.

Looking at other rooms in the editor, I really didn't want to play Monsters Nest (which should have an apostrophe before or after the "s" depending on how many monsters it belongs to) since I'd had enough of brained horde management after level 2

I Forgot about the apostrophe
EDIT: you did potion land 1W staying on the entrance because you used mud babies as a wall? or you simply used the arrows? I tried it too but I didn't make it.

larrymurk wrote:
Here are my comments.


Obligations. Do you mean Orientations? I think you should put a save point on the trap door where the mimic hits the orb at the start of each room for easy restarting. I could only solve 1S

I followed your advice thanks; I think it's matter of keep trying

Potion Land.
1N- Bottom section seemed simple. Trap door section looks like you'd need mimic to hit trap doors near the roach. Annoying to do? Is really that annoying? I might change it

1W1S- no idea.

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×is not that hard, you might want to kill the central goblin exactly when you hit the orb

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×and then face north and kill the others two near the arrows

Subterraney.
Entr- Couldn't destroy tar and get tar baby to follow me to brain.
1N- Killed red snakes against edges using rattlers.
1N1E- Dunno how to kill ww after killing northern snake. ]

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×Spoiler alert: the WW can be trapped and then killed in

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×(8,13)

2N1E- killed mud 1st then tar. Yep that's the solution.
I guess that's all I checked out. Looking good mostly. Hopefully someone who can solve all the rooms will check it out!
Thanks for testing it

blorx1 wrote:
I decided to play through this hold, and it is pretty fun so far, but there are several things that need to be fixed. Please make sure that you only post updates in the original post, since I wasn't sure which version was the most recent.

Well I post the same version both at the beginning and at the end of the topic, so don't worry for the latest version, they both are

Prologue:

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The level lacks a blue gate, so several rooms are unneccessary.

1S: impossible since I cannot escape the southeastern room after killing the roaches. Because of this I had to play in the editor, and may miss some scripting
1S1E: An interesting room, but if I create a tar baby after clearing the room and head east I can get trapped.
1E:As others have said, finding secret walls to solve rooms can be annoying.
1N1E:Could I have a checkpoint that isn't covered by yellow door so I don't have to reclear the roaches repeatedly.

I'll add more comments for later levels as I go.

I fixed all the stuff you said in the prologue, thanks for reporting. Now there should not be any backtracking problem.

Also, you may want to get somebody(possibly Tahnan) to read through the text to check for errors.
I see, maybe I'll ask him this favor when the hold will be complete

blorx1 wrote:
Road to the crypt:
1W: I completed this room without using the wraithwing to kill the serpent at (35,4). Is this intended?

Well my intended solution was to kill the brain first and then kill the snake with thw WW. Probably you used a mud baby so it's still ok since it's probably harder

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There's just this one, just this rock.
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blorx1 wrote:
Orientations:

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As a whole the level had required some good manipulation to clear the rooms, but was sorta hack and slash.
1E: It can be broken by killing the mimic with a decoy, allowing me to turn my sword, I think this is the only room with this problem however.
I managed to beat 1W without using the decoy potion, which I'm guessing was there to make the efficiency easier.
The inconsistency of walls/vs pits on the room edges feels odd.

Well to kill the mimic with the decoy the mimic must stay on the trapdoor or you won't be able to put it; is it really possible to do all the room up to the mimic without going west?
About 1W, you did it without decoy?? Wow I never thought that was possible, nice!!!

I stopped at basements, since the first room appears to be completely impossible. There is no way to kill the snake, and if there was it would involve trapping a tar baby in an unreachable space. You may wish to record a demo of each room and use that to see if it is possible.
I see I forgot to put the green bars on the snake cage (in the very first version there was a scroll) but it's possible to kill the snake just as you said, it's a little tricky, here's the demo

blorx1 wrote:
I've played through the level basements, which is pretty large.
Several things you may wish to note:
A lot of players will get stuck in the entrance, as I did to a minor extent. This means that many people will stop as soon without playing the rest of the level. Also, the puzzles in this level can be a bit harder than the other three, which may also dissuade some players.
Some comments:

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1S1W: A fun room, I found it simple, but it could be tricky for some players. I'm guessing the intended solution is to place the decoy near 19,24 to survive the roaches.
1N1E:an interesting room.
2N1E(and 3N1E):I don't think I'd ever use that checkpoint. This may be a problem for 1S as well.
Also if you put a conquer token at (11,4), it would allow people to get different highscores.(for all of the efficiency rooms. The timer for 3N1E is just about right.
1N2E was sort of annoying, and it was very different from other rooms in the level.

× 1S1W Yes there are several solutions (in mine I protected myself using also EE but that's the point

blorx1 wrote:
Some comments on the last level:

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1N: a quick little goblin killing room.
1W: an interesting room, could I have a checkpoint right before I enter the trapdoor area. And also as I exit the trapdoor area, since optimizers don't like rooms with checkpoints that aren't on the optimal path. The green doors make this level less linear, but don't seem to serve a major purpose in the room.
2W another hard room, I would reccomend removing the green door.
2W1S I really liked this room, since it had some interesting tricks, and was fun to play through.
1S1W: No idea what I was supposed to do, but this was a pretty simple room. The orb seems to serve no purpose.
1E:A fun medium-ish room.
1S1E: The timer is much easier to beat than in other efficiency rooms. This one wouldn't need a way to reward players for beating the timer.
1S: A simple little ending room.

I also just noticed Basements 2S1E
The part with the goblins is quite clever, I kept trying to do it the wrong way. My only complaint is that I would never have found it if I hadn't used the editor.

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× 1S1W to be honest I used that orb because while building it the open door with no orb was making impracticable my sight; I remeved now
Other rooms: yes I did as you said I removed all the green doors so the player can choose any room.
Basements 2S1E: I make it easier to notice the secret
Just for curiosity, you used 2 EE? I'd like no UU in that room since I love it.

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There's just this one, just this rock.
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blorx1 wrote:
I've glanced at the mastery rooms and see no problems. I've also played the two new rooms. For potion land 1S2W I would recommend a checkpoint somewhere that is easily reachable after surviving the wraithwings, possibly right next to the orb. For the entrance I'm not really sure which solution is better, neither is particularly tough and I think either is fine, it would probably be fine if either was allowed.

komachi wrote:
Hi, I have been playing your hold recently and really like it. I pass the first and second level.
And, i have conquered the Monster's nest, about this level i don't enjoy too much the rooms that are full of snakes, the others rooms are very nice.
I'm playing the Orientations level, the rooms seems pretty good and I'm enjoying it.

blorx1 wrote:
I've quickly played through the two modified rooms. I like both of them and I think I'm doing the intended trick of getting a mud baby inside the snake area, by using the rattler. And then using the rattler to kill the eyes safely. I think a checkpoint on the down arrow entering the snake room might help.