Chaco
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This isn't actually a thread where I'll be revealing my partly-finished hold to the public. No, I'm emailing it to a few people for final testing. What I want from the twenty entrants are:

1. Their final versions of their holds. Some of them weren't Anyone-Edit, so I can't copy and paste them.

2. Whether or not to specify an opening puzzle for their hold (so when one comes back from conquering the hold, one can conquer a room, and when all twenty are beaten the hold ends) If not, I'll come up with one to the best of my ability.

You can either post the opening puzzles and finished holds in this thread, or email them to me at maniacalninja@yahoo.com.

Furthermore, if you'd like me to email the hold to you upon completion for testing, specify your email address.

Thank you for furthering the compilation!

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Pilchard VIII
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I guess I've got some work to do, becuase one room was unsolvable, and altogether, my hold wasn't very good.

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Chaco
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Well, to be honest, you sorta made it before Ezlo said "okay no killing ANYTHING ANYTIME".

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Yarr. Posting, and the like.

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Here.

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Krishh
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You can just take mine from the contest, since it was both bug-free and anyone-edit.

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Pilchard VIII wrote:
I guess I've got some work to do, becuase one room was unsolvable, and altogether, my hold wasn't very good.

Evaluated in light of the very first cut of the rules (basically "no direct kills"), I actually rather liked it, and I'd like to see it in the compilation pretty much as-is. Fix the unsolvable room, fix the one where you can get away with killing the single roach (I think I'm thinking of the right hold here; 'twas a south-easternish room) and that should do it.

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Well, here's another shot at patching up the...issues with my entry. It may even merit 14th place upon reassessment!



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Tuttle
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Here's mine. [Edit: see page 2.]

Wrt when people return from the individual holds, I'm not sure a room that needs conquering really fits the contest. Maybe just have the hold exit stairs lead to an empty but required room, so once all 20 holds have been exited the blue door on the entry level opens.

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Jason, your new version allows 5N4W to be cleared (see demo). Changing that alcove I hid in (either remove it or make it at least 2 squares wide) should fix it.

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Tuttle wrote:
Here's mine.

Wrt when people return from the individual holds, I'm not sure a room that needs conquering really fits the contest. Maybe just have the hold exit stairs lead to an empty but required room, so once all 20 holds have been exited the blue door on the entry level opens.

It'll be funny -- a hold with almost no highscorable rooms.



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Chaco
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Well, you see, King Ryui's castle is already ridiculously huge, and adding an extra twenty rooms or so is going to make it approximately 17 by 7 rooms long. This is a big number.

(admittedly, you don't go in most of them, but it's still huge on the mini-map and the restore map)

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Tuttle wrote:
Jason, your new version allows 5N4W to be cleared (see demo). Changing that alcove I hid in (either remove it or make it at least 2 squares wide) should fix it.

Ooops. Fixed it. New version!

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jbluestein wrote:
It'll be funny -- a hold with almost no highscorable rooms.

You know, given the spirit of the competition, it might be a good idea just to mark all the rooms in the hold as uninteresting to begin with.

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Well, I'm sorta thinking about, ya know, building the hold before I start checking options in the Hold Submit thingie.

I've run some calculations, and the main castle itself is about 170 rooms, or almost twice the size of the Loony Labyrinth... and that doesn't even count the holds which are supposed to be in it. Castles are *big*, man.


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jbluestein, 2S1E (the brained roachqueen room) of your entry doesn't seem possible anymore... I can't beat the roaches to the junction to the next room, and I can't kill them to get through them either. Stupid bombs + trapdoors.

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Chaco wrote:
jbluestein, 2S1E (the brained roachqueen room) of your entry doesn't seem possible anymore... I can't beat the roaches to the junction to the next room, and I can't kill them to get through them either. Stupid bombs + trapdoors.

Hmmm...I'm pretty sure I still beat it in that configuration, but I'll try it out. I know there's not much margin.

This was probably the worst choice for a room design I could have come up with...far too variable.



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It's solvable. Demo.

Edit: I have issues with 2S2E though. You need to enter with your sword the right way to solve it (eg SE (what you're most likely to have) is impossible), but there's a force arrow which stops you returning to 2S1E to fix it. You can safely get rid of that arrow; backtracking into 2S1E doesn't let you kill anything since the force arrow in that room blocks the brain logic.

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Tuttle wrote:
It's solvable. Demo.

Edit: I have issues with 2S2E though. You need to enter with your sword the right way to solve it (eg SE (what you're most likely to have) is impossible), but there's a force arrow which stops you returning to 2S1E to fix it. You can safely get rid of that arrow; backtracking into 2S1E doesn't let you kill anything since the force arrow in that room blocks the brain logic.

There's a checkpoint at the end of 2S1E to allow easy restores. Problem is, if I don't have a force arrow at the beginning of 2S2E you can kill a brain and make an escape.



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Chaco
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So? Put a force arrow in later, and start the brains later. Maybe have an area to rotate your sword before you start the run, so people can't complain. There's room for it.

Ahem, I can't get involved right now, I have other holds to shove in.

EDIT:

Banjooie, in the fireworks room, you have Halph trying to move onto a tunnel. Which he can't do. Therefore, the rest of the script doesn't execute while he tries to move onto the tunnel, and he therefore doesn't detect me putting the roach into the bottom row.

I did like how you're not allowed to kill Halph with the mimic though

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My fixed entry is in this post. (I expect that's enough for you, why attach same files in too many places?)

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Are you sure? I found a bug that needs fixing in 1N: the whole point of the room is keeping the roach alive, but I found a way that doesn't really require that.

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Now, that's just silly. Alright. This post will contain my fixed fixed entry later.

Edit: New version 29/6/06

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Here's my revised hold. And Chaco, instead of making killing rooms, OR a huge section of the castle devoted to non-required rooms, you could fit something similar to Doom's locking system in a small exit level shared by all the levels.

I have to get to class now, but I could even design it for you afterward if you'd like. Just let me know if you want each hold to have a unique reentry point to the main castle, or all go to the main entrance, and I'll put it together right away, and all you'll need is to connect a zillion stairs ;-)

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Chaco
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Too late, I've already decided that I'm just going to do HIJK-style return rooms. It's much simpler and I've already started.

...not that that's too complicated for me, I could do that right now if I wasn't busy doing this.

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First square of what?

Anyway, progress is being made as I speak. No, wait, no it isn't. But it was a few minutes ago, I swear.

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jbluestein wrote:
Problem is, if I don't have a force arrow at the beginning of 2S2E you can kill a brain and make an escape.

Thanks for the hint. See demo.

I reckon you need to replace that first brain with a wall to fix it (or move the whole room over a square).

For the force arrow, you could either put the arrow under the mimic potion (once the brain thing is fixed), or move the room over two squares and move the force arrow one.

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My fixed version's here.

Tuttle, it's still not necessary to step on the SW fuse in 1N.

EDIT: Never mind the edit.

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Chaco
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I'd like to encourage everybody to read michthro's list of errors. It's about halfway down the page and it's very informative.

Fix them as best you can and attach the new versions here if you haven't already.

(admittedly, I still haven't figured out how to break 3N2W of my entry)

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Chaco wrote:
(admittedly, I still haven't figured out how to break 3N2W of my entry

Here's one way to clear the room.

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