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15 - Doom7.76190476190482.3279822022058
29 - michthro7.38095238095242.1707183466746
319 - Tuttle7.33333333333331.9599157740244
41 - Banjooie7.09523809523812.1135562877307
54 - Dali6.66666666666671.9354668031335
62 - Beef Row6.61904761904762.1263917677872
78 - Krishh6.57142857142862.2162050053753
820 - tyrion6.47619047619051.8928197061287
83 - Chaco6.47619047619051.7076591501944
1014 - skell6.42857142857141.6495721976846
1116 - techant6.33333333333331.9107050140704
1212 - Ostegolectrlc62.2466906880163
1318 - Tooth and Nail5.85714285714292.2527383185743
1410 - Muiff5.57142857142861.9166296949998
157 - jbluestein5.33333333333332.3367322183591
1615 - Someone Else5.09523809523812.5986216475509
1711 - NiroZ4.76190476190482.5802318445989
1817 - The spitemaster4.66666666666672.1894407490615
1913 - Plichard the VIII3.71428571428572.5475077857324
206 - Jason3.33333333333332.5510657592341
1 - Banjooie
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Average Vote 7.0952380952381
Standard Deviation 2.1135562877307

2 - Beef Row
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Average Vote 6.6190476190476
Standard Deviation 2.1263917677872

3 - Chaco
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Average Vote 6.4761904761905
Standard Deviation 1.7076591501944

4 - Dali
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Average Vote 6.6666666666667
Standard Deviation 1.9354668031335

5 - Doom
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Average Vote 7.7619047619048
Standard Deviation 2.3279822022058

6 - Jason
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Average Vote 3.3333333333333
Standard Deviation 2.5510657592341

7 - jbluestein
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Average Vote 5.3333333333333
Standard Deviation 2.3367322183591

8 - Krishh
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Average Vote 6.5714285714286
Standard Deviation 2.2162050053753

9 - michthro
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Average Vote 7.3809523809524
Standard Deviation 2.1707183466746

10 - Muiff
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Average Vote 5.5714285714286
Standard Deviation 1.9166296949998

11 - NiroZ
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Average Vote 4.7619047619048
Standard Deviation 2.5802318445989

12 - Ostegolectrlc
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Average Vote 6
Standard Deviation 2.2466906880163

13 - Plichard the VIII
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Average Vote 3.7142857142857
Standard Deviation 2.5475077857324

14 - skell
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Average Vote 6.4285714285714
Standard Deviation 1.6495721976846

15 - Someone Else
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Average Vote 5.0952380952381
Standard Deviation 2.5986216475509

16 - techant
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Average Vote 6.3333333333333
Standard Deviation 1.9107050140704

17 - The spitemaster
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Average Vote 4.6666666666667
Standard Deviation 2.1894407490615

18 - Tooth and Nail
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Average Vote 5.8571428571429
Standard Deviation 2.2527383185743

19 - Tuttle
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Average Vote 7.3333333333333
Standard Deviation 1.9599157740244

20 - tyrion
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Average Vote 6.4761904761905
Standard Deviation 1.8928197061287
Total Votes 32 100%
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Fourth.

Curses, my streak of mediocrity is broken :(
06-15-2006 at 05:31 PM
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Most of my hold doesn't use scripting. However, 2N1W uses scripting for a simple introduction to "don't kill stuff", and 2N1E also uses scripting (albeit for two puzzles, not one)

Could you just give me four instead of five?

Anyway, I can't tell where I placed, but I think I managed to get somewhere in the top ten.

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Most of my hold doesn't use scripting. However, 2N1W uses scripting for a simple introduction to "don't kill stuff", and 2N1E also uses scripting (albeit for two puzzles, not one)

Could you just give me four instead of five?


It's ok to use scripting, just not as the way to catch a monster killing and block Beethro. Is that what 2N1E does?

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For the compiler....

Here's a version of Ahimsa that definitely fixes the kill in the final room, and hopefully fixes the serpent kill in the entrance. Use this one for the compilation, please.

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06-15-2006 at 06:34 PM
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True - I used scripting only in one room without monsters.

Here's an updated version of my entry for possible later use. (Attempts to fix monster killing in 1S2E and 2N2E)
EDIT: Outdated version removed, is now found on the architecture board and later in the compilation hold.

My "secret offer" for several rank points was for most monsters in a hold, which could've been interesting considering the limitations. I never got to counting them, though, and there should've been some kind of restrictions because some of the entries contained tons of them serving practically no purpose. Meh...

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06-15-2006 at 06:44 PM
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There you go. +25 rank points.

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No scripting for me either.
06-15-2006 at 06:52 PM
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Most of my hold doesn't use scripting. However, 2N1W uses scripting for a simple introduction to "don't kill stuff", and 2N1E also uses scripting (albeit for two puzzles, not one)

Could you just give me four instead of five?


It's ok to use scripting, just not as the way to catch a monster killing and block Beethro. Is that what 2N1E does?


Actually, the golem refuses to open a door if, at some point, you have killed a monster. But yeah, that's basically it.

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Well, I gave you +3 for almost using no scripting... Plus that rounds your rank points to a multiple of 50.

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For what it's worth (5 rank points apparently), there's no scripting affecting gameplay in my hold either.
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I totally didn't use scri--

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Well I didn't use it to make the room unso--

...

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No scripting in mine. (except for speech)
06-16-2006 at 08:31 AM
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In my hold, only scripting, except one or two rooms.

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06-16-2006 at 10:19 AM
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Plus, does anyone want to take over the compilation? It's proving too tough for me.


Ezlo,

Has anyone offered to take this over from you? If you can't find a qualified person to do this, I'm willing to to give it a shot myself. Hopefully, though, someone who knows more what they're doing will handle it...

Josh

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06-16-2006 at 05:01 PM
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I was about to ask whether Ezlo was about to do the compilation, but I'd love to do it. I've already practiced with an unofficial contest. :)

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06-16-2006 at 06:22 PM
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Since Chaco did a good job on his, I hand it over to him. Good luck!
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Hmm, the first one had only four holds, while this one has twenty. Plus I need story. Yep, an improvement alright. I'll need more materials.

Any particular date you want it by, or should I just build the stupid thing already?

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Noe time limit. Actually, finish it before the year is out. ;)
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Noe time limit. Actually, finish it before the year is out. ;)


No, no, you have to give him something to aim for.

Next Monday would be great, Chaco!

(No, not the 19th...we're not unreasonable taskmasters! Take until the 26th!)



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Fair enough. I've already got the introductory levels done in two minutes! :)

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I totally didn't use scri--

Well I didn't use it to make the room unso--

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Yes, but storywise, it was the most interesting one. Have some mod points ;)

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Here's what my basic plan for the hold is so far:

1. Beethro spends the night before the main hold at a relative's house. Finished.

2. Beethro heads to King Ryui's castle. Finished.

3. Beethro enters the castle and meets Ryui. Finished.

4. Ryui tells Beethro the DtD introductory story. Not finished.

5. Beethro moves on and clears the twenty or so holds. Beethro can hear the story again at any time. Not finished.

6. Beethro says goodbye to Ryui and leaves.

7. Beethro heads home (maybe, I might just end the hold when Beethro leaves the castle)

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Here's my fixed version.

Chaco, please start a thread in architecture, and don't be too hasty with the compilation. There are a lot of bugs that haven't been mentioned. (The only authors who know about all their bugs, to my knowledge, are Banjooie, BeefRow, Jason, Krishh, and I suppose Pilchard VIII ;))Give authors a chance to fix their holds. I'll post a list of bugs.

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Fixed major bugs. New version.

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Give authors a chance to fix their holds. I'll post a list of bugs.


Oh don't worry, I thought of that. I was just going to do 4 first. :)

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I'm attaching my revised hold. Proud to have earned a rating in the Top 20!



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The only authors who know about all their bugs, to my knowledge, are Banjooie(list of authors here)...I'll post a list of bugs.


Please do!

If I knew about bugs, I totally forgot they were there! :D!

but i can't fix them, because i'm always busy making new levels

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OK, here's the bug list. Some of these may have been mentioned and even fixed, but I didn't include everything I know has been mentioned, except for jogging Banjooie's memory. I did check all this by playtesting (mostly in the editor). Please just ask if you want a demo.

"Can be conquered" means you can conquer the room and still complete the hold (there are other rooms where conquering means you're stuck). In a lot of rooms you can kill something while standing on a door that's supposed to prevent it (i.e. the basic scripting method: the door closes when something is killed). Not a big deal if you first have to solve the room as intended, but I include them in case the authors want to fix it.
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I think I figured out the tar baby kill, and I think I pretty much nailed the mimic bug, but I have no idea how to deal with the slayer kill--nor where you kill him.
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I have no idea how to deal with the slayer kill--nor where you kill him.
Punch a hole in the tar (3rd square from the bottom), and kill him the usual way. Easy to fix - put arrows in the entrance.

Oh, another thing: The stairs in L1:Ent end the hold.
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