Pilchard VIII
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Good to see you enjoyed the hold. The Cwazy Castle thing was an abandoned hold, so I didn't really work on it. Good to see you have a keen eye for hold art! And speaking of spelling mistakes...

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Pilchard VIII wrote:
And speaking of spelling mistakes...

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jbluestein wrote:
Good jub!

LOL!

Gah! I'm so embarassed!

Karmic backlash is not my friend.

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Rabscuttle
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Putting blue doors in the challenge level is a really bad idea. If you over look one of the challenge staircases, or choose not to do one on your first play through, then you end up having to do a majority of the hold again in order to open them.

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Pilchard VIII
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I know that's a problem, but if there's a better solution, I'd like to hear it ASAP.

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eytanz
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You can make sure that it's possible to backtrack and reach all the secrets from any point in the game. That way, people can just walk back.

If you can't make the hold backtrackable without changing the rooms too much, it should be possible for you to just place stairs at the end that go back to the first level. Assuming there are no rooms that are made impassible by conquering them (because of unbreakable tar without mothers or green doors protecting from bomb blasts or such) players will be able to go and collect all the secret they're missing.

You could also just have a special warp area that just leads to all the secret level entrances. As far as I remember, they weren't particularly hidden, so it's not like this will spoil anything.

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Pilchard VIII
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Or perhaps I could take them out of the levels and put them on the end of the hold! Great idea, eytanz.

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Hey, I *liked* that they were within the hold the way they were... made it easier on me, certainly ^^

I'd say just add the extra warp room or something. By the time someone's gotten to the point of having access to it, they'd normally be going into 'find the secret rooms' mode anyways, so it makes it a little easier on the players anyways, but doesn't take away the fun of solving the challenge rooms in the midst of the hold.

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Pilchard VIII
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I see where you're coming from, but if i duplicate the challenge rooms, and put a warp room to these instead, then the player's only going to get 50% of the secrets. And if I leave them where they are, then when you leave the challenge, you end up having to play through LOADS of te hold again. But then I thought, you could just restore back to the roms with challenges in, and then complete them that way.

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No, you can't, because then the blue door won't open. That's the difference between a blue door and a master wall - master walls are designed to work even if you restore, but blue doors won't. Which is why you should always use master walls and not blue doors for this sort of purpose.


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Pilchard VIII
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Okay. I'm now fixin the hold so that you can backtrack to the challeng rooms. I'm also including one or two new floor styles.

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Pilchard VIII
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Got a bit of a problem. Can the next administrator that is online please send me a PM. It's a problem regarding hold upload.

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Pilchard VIII
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Hey, does anybody know where the sounds from the funny farm area of my hold went?

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Syntax
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Which rooms did you change which could have invalidated demos?
By the sounds of it, you just changed the blue door thing, but (pending high scroe uploads) I've lost 20 #1s so obviously would like to know if any rooms changed layout

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I changd the layout of almost every room, to make the whole hold backtrackble. I aded AE floor styles to some floors, and I completely changed:
Castle - Ground Floor : 1W
Lowest Foor : 3N, 4N
The room behind the blue doors in Castle Challenges

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I actually finished it! Yay!



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Syntax
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Pilchard VIII wrote:
I changd the layout of almost every room, to make the whole hold backtrackble. I aded AE floor styles to some floors, and I completely changed:
Castle - Ground Floor : 1W
Lowest Foor : 3N, 4N
The room behind the blue doors in Castle Challenges

Thanks! That's great info. You've saved me at least an hour trawling through your hold looking for what might have affected my scores (yup, I'm an optimiser ).

As you know, I think this is a great hold anyways.

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Why, thank you. Does it download okay, and do the affected rooms appear okay?


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Beef Row
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Hiya Pilchard.... it seems the door to the guards won't open in Castle Challenges 3n2, is it a scripting error or am I not stepping in the right place?

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Yeah, I noticed that cos i did some changes to the room layout. I can't remember if I fixed it in the newest uploaded version or not, but I can have a look if you want.

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Syntax
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Is this the only room to have changed in the latest update?

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Well, the challenge works now, but I'm noticing that scripted rooms like Ground floor 1N1E and Castle Challenges 1N4W allow 1 move completions and so aren't scorable.

Great job on the hold though, its fairly easy, but has some very clever puzzle rooms, and many rooms that are simple to complete but devious to perfect. Backtracking will be nice, since I think the area behind the blue door was the only place I never managed to go, just need to catch any bugs that crept in with the backtrack

EDIT: Also in 1N4W you can slay the slayer trivially while backtracking.

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so, in a terrifying fit of events, Pilchard can legitimately be selected to do a Smitemaster's Selection.

Scary, huh?

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The new blue door in Lower Floor: 2N makes the slayer useless, so its basically like the challenge.

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Chaco
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Not right now, it's only 7.9/10.

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Then someone *just* downvoted it, it was 8.1 when it had 16 votes.

Edit: And it's back to 8.0. Woo.

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Okay, fixed these bugs. But you see why I didn't originally allow backtracking, because whenever I try, it creates all sorts of problems.

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Finally getting around to this one. There's some very nice stuff in here; I love the idea of a "challenge floor".

A note, though, since I know you're just sitting there thinking, "I haven't had enough of a chance to update this hold": the stairs in the 375-move-mud challenge end the hold.

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Tahnan wrote:
the stairs in the 375-move-mud challenge end the hold.

Yeah... that old bug keeps cropping up. You need to do it in either less than, or more than, 375 moves. 375 is the internal register overflow number, so any room like this will need at least 1 pause.

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Syntax wrote:

Tahnan wrote:
the stairs in the 375-move-mud challenge end the hold.

Yeah... that old bug keeps cropping up. You need to do it in either less than, or more than, 375 moves. 375 is the internal register overflow number, so any room like this will need at least 1 pause.

Um... right. o_O

The room with the faulty stairs isn't the one with the 375-move script. It's just a mismapped stairs bug in this case.

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Hikari wrote:
The room with the faulty stairs isn't the one with the 375-move script. It's just a mismapped stairs bug in this case.

That's all I was pointing out, yes. There're some minorly irritating scripting bugs, too, typically ones that allow much shorter solutions (e.g., ).