VortexSurfer wrote:
In DROD AE, it was possible to construct orb puzzles with gates hidden under tar. Given n orbs, of which k<n had to be activated (representing, for example, a certain number as a solution to a riddle), it was hard to figure out the correct solution by trial and error.

Now that you can click on orbs to see what they'll do to doors, hiding doors under tars has become rather pointless. This is a problem for orb puzzles in holds like "A Quiet Place" and ... my own holds.

There is, however, another (in fact better) way to construct such a puzzle now without scripting, where there is no other way AT ALL to find the solution in-game except by trial and error.

	Challenge! Construct a one-room hold containing such a puzzle!

In a correct solution, the average number of attempts required to find the correct solution by trial and error should be M/2, where M is the number of possible solutions, otherwise the puzzle cannot be regarded as uncrackable.

VortexSurfer

Jacob wrote:
I am fairly confident that combination of orbs in level 7 of my new hold (Domain of the Grinfidel) is uncrackable (the combination needs to be worked out from some clues in previous levels). At least, I challenge anyone to deduce it. The doors are under tar, some start open and some closed, some orbs toggle, and there is one additional secret feature in the puzzle that leads me to think it is uncrackable.

Doom wrote:
It's interesting that you don't even need orbs anymore to do it.

Here's how I did it.
[Edited by Doom at Local Time:04-29-2005 at 02:49 PM]

silver wrote:
force-arrow => orbs => force-arrow => tar-hiding-doors, some of which are open, some are closed (can't determine their start condition by clicking on orbs)

should be rather tedious to 'hack' regardless of the fact that you can see the orbs are toggling which doors