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05-05-2013 at 11:50 AM
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... I can't even figure out 2S. Is my goblin-fu just weak, or am I supposed to be able to leave more than a single roach alive up in the north chamber instead before dropping the red gate or what?

As for the aesthetics, yeah, you might want to fill in the hold and level descriptions at some point. I'm not sure why you even bothered with a separate entry room yet if there's nothing in it.
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For 2S, the only other difference between 1S and 2S (other than the bombs) is that
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I not very good at judging difficulty - so I can juggle the order of rooms around if necessary.
As for the aesthetics, yeah, you might want to fill in the hold and level descriptions at some point. I'm not sure why you even bothered with a separate entry room yet if there's nothing in it.
Well, the hold is far from complete :P, and I don't currently know whether I'll continue to make more puzzles based on the same room, or branch out with other rooms (like level 6 KDD).
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da rogu3 wrote:
For 2S, the only other difference between 1S and 2S (other than the bombs) is that
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I can't do 2S either, and I did consider that, but I can't seem to get the goblin to stay there while I close the door (unless my goblin-fu is weak as well). But... even if I could, toggling the orb would trap me in there as well?
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Okay, I'm beginning to think that 2S is too difficult to be the second room. I might swap it with 4S or 3S.

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(and remember, you can look ahead at other rooms in the editor if you get stuck)
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I think that 3S is way more harder than 2S, at least for me I found 1S and 2S pretty enjoyable and not too hard.
On 3S I'm having serious problems, I'm always one move later to escape the aumtlich at red door, is there a particular trick?
I also tried 4S in the editor and I don't see why you find it easy I have no idea how to survive and let the goblin alive.

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On 3S I'm having serious problems, I'm always one move later to escape the aumtlich at red door, is there a particular trick?
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I was unsure whether the manipulation in this room is too frustrating to be fun - let me know what you think.
I also tried 4S in the editor and I don't see why you find it easy I have no idea how to survive and let the goblin alive.
Once you establish what has to kill the snake
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, there is a specific trick which may or may not be obvious. And by easy I meant compared to 2S/3S

Each room needs a different type of strategy to beat, so it's a bit tricky to order them from easiest to hardest for everyone - but thank you everyone for the feedback so far. :)
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Well, I've only managed to solve 1S, but I will give a few general comments anyway:

*I would in no way classify these as easy. But I'm hardly the best DROD player, so don't take my word on this too seriously.

*2S - still no idea, but Red-XIII confirmed it is possible

*3S seems to be the hardest, I can't even keep the aumtlich alive while dealing with the roaches.

*I nearly solved 4S and 5S, they each seem a little easier than 3S.

*The general style of this hold is a probably a little risky, but I think it works here and doesn't become tedious or frustrating (I'm still curious to figure out the solutions).

*Personally, I wouldn't expand on this puzzle any further, five variations is enough IMO. However I think it would be good if there were a couple of other levels with a different puzzle, but varied in the same way as this. I don't know how you planning to develop the hold though, obviously that's your decision.

So overall, quite fun and clever, I'm intrigued to solve the other rooms. If I do, I will write some further comments.
05-06-2013 at 01:25 PM
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Kwerulous wrote: *I would in no way classify these as easy. But I'm hardly the best DROD player, so don't take my word on this too seriously.
I think you are probably right - I've already changed the description in the first post - I'm aiming for 4-6 brains (and not higher).
*2S - still no idea, but Red-XIII confirmed it is possible
I posted some hints above - I can PM you more detailed hints if you want?
*3S seems to be the hardest, I can't even keep the aumtlich alive while dealing with the roaches.
Try to reach this sort of position:
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However I think it would be good if there were a couple of other levels with a different puzzle, but varied in the same way as this.
This is probably what I'm going to do next. :)
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Alright, I've done 3S now. Oddly, I had got into that position every time I tried it, but it only worked once you'd told me. Anyway, I like this variation and don't think the aumtlich manipulation was that frustrating. Well, I suppose the first part was slightly, but not enough to warrant changing the room in any way. Once I'd got it down to the southern-most chamber the manipulation was quite fun.

As for 2S - I'm still at a loss. I read your hint above, and I really don't see what difference it makes, unless you somehow
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But if it is that then I have no idea how.
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2S:
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:facepalm: Done it. I was thinking about it completely the wrong way.

So I'd actually say 2S is a pretty neat room. I'll have a look at 4S and 5S first, but having now completed the room I'm not sure it needs to be swapped around (difficulty-wise).
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Like it so far and would keep all the existing rooms (although maybe 3S and 2S should swap, and maybe the bombs should stay in 3S for aesthetic reasons)

Did 1S-4S without hints, but will need one for 5S.
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Done all rooms. The hold is definitely not easy, but not very tricky, either... around 6 brains indeed. 4S was the room which took me the longest, surprisingly, though I agree that it's pretty easy after player realizes the trick needed to do it.
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Thanks for the comments everyone.

I'm pretty happy with the order of the rooms, so I think I'll leave it as it is. (looking at 4S, it does have a few red herrings - so maybe it is appropriately placed). Edit: next version has some changes to the order, 3S has been made easier and will swap with 2S.

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New version! Changes have been listed in the first post.
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Just noticed an unintended solution for 2W, ignore that room for now.
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And updated - the US wasn't too difficult to fix, I think 2W works now. Other changed are listed above.
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5S: I still haven't completed it, but suspect the top checkpoint is useless. Can we have one a bit further south?
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5S: I still haven't completed it, but suspect the top checkpoint is useless. Can we have one a bit further south?
Oh, you're right - I'll move it to (20,12).

For the lower section - try to reach this sort of position:
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That was fun and just the right difficulty level for me.

I liked 3W the most.
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And why the addition of the seep, when a yellow door worked fine (I think) in 4S?

Edit: Oh, 4W is gone. I thought it was fine.
Also, I'll need to still do the new 2W.

Edit: 2W is also very nice.

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Jacob wrote:
That was fun and just the right difficulty level for me.
Thanks :)
I liked 3W the most.
Just to check, did you
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Edit: Oh, 4W is gone. I thought it was fine.
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And why the addition of the seep, when a yellow door worked fine (I think) in 4S?
I think I wanted all the tunnels to be in the same spot, and didn't have anywhere to put the yellow door :P
I'll definitely come back and tidy all the rooms up at some point.
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Yes, that's how I did 3W.

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Jacob wrote:
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One last little question for 2W:
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New version!

I've added 4 new rooms to the East - they may be a little bit on the difficult side (at least compared to the other rooms). Also, I put back 4W as I couldn't think of any way of changing it.

The new rooms seem especially prone to unintended solutions, so here are the intended locations of the golem corpses.

*spoilers* edit: ignore this now - the room have been swapped around

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In terms of puzzles, the hold is complete - all that's left to be done is to polish it, and then I'm done :)
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Not done them all yet, but for 4E you can
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I don't know if that's an US or not.

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I don't know if that's an US or not.
It certainly is, nice find! Topologically, it is the same as the two solutions I intended, but much easier to execute. Edit: actually, maybe not that much easier - I'm not sure if this room is more difficult than 2E or 3E.

2E is indeed possible - the way in which you first strike the rock giant is very important.
I might change the order of 2E/3E/4E if necessary.
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Just noticed another way (but not too different from the intended method) of doing 1E. Anyway, I think for 4E I'll keep the US and move 4E earlier than 2E/3E in the next update.

Edit: And I've also realised you can solve 3E in the exact same way as 2E :?
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Updated, fixing the US in 3E (which is now 4E), and swapped the order of the rooms.

Does anyone else have any comments/opinions on the new rooms?
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