Chaco wrote:
Wow, I've only just beaten the first room of the hold, the Entrance, and already I'm impressed. This is a pretty tough room because it requires some strategical considerations, both with the obvious conditions the tar mother imposes, but also the roach queens, which can make the south section very difficult to handle if large amounts of roaches are allowed to spawn in both the left and right parts of the south chamber.

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Unfortunately, I do have one thing I should point out - the player can get himself stuck if he accidentally (or intentionally) creates a tar baby and then leaves the room to the West. When he comes back to the Entrance, all the monsters will return, and then there is no way to prevent a tar baby spawning at (13, 16), because both the tar mother and the orb are too far away. Now, there might still be a way to conquer the room if there's some other way the player can run around and eventually appear at another entrance to that room (say, the South entrance). But if there is such a route, I haven't found it yet.

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Anyway, you're doing great and I'll have more comments when I play the rest of the rooms.

Chaco wrote:
Unfortunately, I do have one thing I should point out - the player can get himself stuck if he accidentally (or intentionally) creates a tar baby and then leaves the room to the West. When he comes back to the Entrance, all the monsters will return, and then there is no way to prevent a tar baby spawning at (13, 16), because both the tar mother and the orb are too far away. Now, there might still be a way to conquer the room if there's some other way the player can run around and eventually appear at another entrance to that room (say, the South entrance). But if there is such a route, I haven't found it yet.

bandit1200 wrote:
Pardon my stupidity, Chaco, but how can you accidentally, or otherwise, create a tar baby and leave to the west. Surely the green doors would still be up?

bandit1200 wrote:
I've been enjoying this, as far as I got. The entrance is good, and actually quite easy when you figure out which order to do things, but I suppose most rooms are like that.


2E, I only just manage this one in time, so when I saw 3E, I walked away and didn't look back. Probably not possible for someone as inefficient as me.

1S2W, I can stand my ground, but can't get near the queens or brains to make any headway. Maybe I'm going about it the wrong way.

1S, ugh!

2S1E, easy, potion not needed.

2S2E, did I mention snakes can be slippery critters? It took me a few hundred moves to kill this *&^%$£. It would not go where I wanted it to.

2S2E, 3S2E, nothing to do really.

That's as far as I got.

larrymurk wrote:
I concur w/ the other testers, nice hold!

I conquered the hold, but will just add a few comments.

Please make your hold Anyone Edit during testing.
1N1W- I don't know why the scroll said it's not as it seems?
1N- I'm pretty sure you can edit the room so it doesn't use the top row.
1S2W- Tough room. I circled around so the snakes died amidst the roaches chasing me.

Nice job.

Lucky Luc wrote:

1N1W:

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×Didn't use the potion, but I guess it's just a red herring anyway?

1N: Liked this one, though the design made it rather obvious what had to be done.
1S: At first I thought I'd never get through this one, but then I realized that the room was actually designed very fair and actually enjoyed it a lot, making it one of my favorite rooms. One suggestion though: A few more checkpoints would serve both areas very well.
2S1E: Again, tricky beginning but managable rest. I did use the potion, though I'd suggest to remove the "natural" dead-ends at (31,6) and (12,4) to force the player to keep alive some monsters until the snake is dead.

I didn't notice any backtracking problems, but I'm not very good at that.

larrymurk wrote:
Thanks, I'm glad you like my holds

I conquered the hold but did not solve 3E I'll leave that for the pros!

[Post Deleted] mxvladi wrote:
Since you seem to be interested in how people are doing with 2E and 3E, I'll say that it's possible to kill tar mother in 2E before it spawns for the 4th time(in my solution, I killed it on 120th turn, but I didn't try too hard so maybe it's possible to improve a bit)... which means that 3E *is* possible with two tar mother eyes(for now, I kill tar mother in 3E on turn 114). And it's not very tricky to pull off.

Red-XIII wrote:
1S, what ugh means? xD 1) I don't like it 2) it's frustating 3) I hate it

Red-XIII wrote:
I see that you didn't tried north rooms, hope you'll like them

Red-XIII wrote:
A little update. 1N modified a bit, now it's a little "harder". 2S2E modified, now it's more frustating (at least for me). And some little changing on detail on some rooms. Oh, it's anyone editable, I should have done this before

bandit1200 wrote:

Red-XIII wrote:

1N, it might be harder, but not if you already did it the easy way first, if you see what I mean.

Got to go back and beat 1S, 1S1W, 1S2W. Ah, I just noticed there's something below 1S, so I have more to do yet.

I thought the same about 1N, the strategy it's the same but now for those who never seen it it's a little more confusing. I hope you'll enjoy 2S and 3S

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mxvladi wrote:
1N 1E - you do realise that, if mimic steps off the trapdoor in correct direction, I can turn my sword in three directions and not just one? (east-only solution isn't much harder, but still)

1N 1W - I'm really dissapointed that

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×NE tar baby can be simply killed. There're two ways to prevent it from spawning(killing tar mother in time or manipulating mimic in NE area); also, I can use mimic to kill it if it spawns... and you allow me to kill it by myself, and let me escape after that? :(

bandit1200 wrote:
Last room, and I can't figure out how to kill the snake in 1S1W.
If I kill it with the mimic, I can't reach the force arrows. If I don't kill it with the mimic, I can't kill it in the red door. Where am I going wrong?

bandit1200 wrote:
Hah! I beat 3E on the 2nd attempt!

I look forward to more holds like this. Ones I can actually finish are few and far between.

mxvladi wrote:
1N 1E - you do realise that, if mimic steps off the trapdoor in correct direction, I can turn my sword in three directions and not just one? (east-only solution isn't much harder, but still)

1N 1W - I'm really dissapointed that

Click here to view the secret text

×NE tar baby can be simply killed. There're two ways to prevent it from spawning(killing tar mother in time or manipulating mimic in NE area); also, I can use mimic to kill it if it spawns... and you allow me to kill it by myself, and let me escape after that? :(

mxvladi wrote:
Attached .zip has two demos:

2N -> I'm pretty sure I didn't do it the way you intended(too many parts didn't make sense).

1N 1W -> A (pretty sneaky) solution which you probably didn't intend. (I solved the room the intended way first, but then I figured that it might be possible to do it a bit... differently). I'll note that it's probably even harder than what you intended.

I really like the new 1N 1W. It's much, much trickier efficiency puzzle than 3E, by the way - in 3E, the optimal route is clear(all player needs to do is to smite tar babies efficiently... not too interesting); in this one, player needs to figure out the order things need to happen in. Nicely done.

Red-XIII wrote:
I have that version but it doesn't work :/ The latest version I have is the city beneath 3.2 I took the 3.3 but the update does not work. Would you mind recording them in that version if you have time?

I also think I know how you solved 1N1W, by not taking the first mimic right? While testing I tried escaping the goblins but I failed