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$ ./rule.pl devote vetoed
devote => 3
vetoed => 1

(just because I'm using a program doesn't mean it's all that complicated. I can do it by hand for short words rather quickly and easily. I just don't want to post a mistake and throw everything off)


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Could you score the six words in italics for us, since it appears no one has a good idea yet? I most certainly don't.

straw warts live evil drawer reward

08-04-2008 at 02:18 PM
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$ ./rule.pl straw warts live evil drawer reward ack
straw => 2
warts => 2
live => 1
evil => 2
drawer => 3
reward => 2
ack => 2



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what about:
a I at in it

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08-04-2008 at 06:01 PM
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0 0 1 1 1


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hmm.. is:
on = 1
no = 0

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08-04-2008 at 07:35 PM
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a bit of the opposite, actually (reprinting previous words for clarity)

$ ./rule.pl a I at in it on no
a => 0
i => 0
at => 1
in => 1
it => 1
on => 0
no => 1


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so, in that case:

water => 2
caravel => 3
tile => 3
mxvladi => 4
mrimer => 3

right?

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08-04-2008 at 08:24 PM
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mmm, close:

tile => 1
mxvladi => 3

the others were right

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argh. I knew I should have double checked. Let's see:

slashdot => 3
erikh2000 => 2
CuriousShyRabbit => 7
CSR => 1
Snacko => 3

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08-04-2008 at 08:49 PM
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I do believe it's likely that you know the rule, then:

$ ./rule.pl slashdot erikh2000 CuriousShyRabbit CSR Snacko
slashdot => 3
erikh => 2
curiousshyrabbit => 7
csr => 1
snacko => 3

we'll give some other people a day and then I'll try some test words or something.


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iknowtherule = 6
proof = 1
evidence = 4
quantity = 5
conclusion = 4
08-04-2008 at 10:42 PM
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right on all counts.

I'm going to wrap mine up with this:

place your answers for the following words into tags thusly:

[unhidetime=August 5, 2008 5:00pm] ... [/unhidetime]
(use that exact time, I mean, it's gmt so will work for everyone)

spoonfeed
billowy
deified
abacab

and I'll modup correct posts tomorrow.


spoonfeed => 0
billowy => 5
deified => 3
abacab => 3

the rule is: score for word is +1 every time a letter is immediately followed by a letter later in the alphabet (i.e. ba 0, aa 0, ab +1, ay +1)

for fun, this was rule.pl:
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spoonfeed 0
billowy 5
deified 3
abacab 3
08-05-2008 at 11:24 AM
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There have been some good rules in action, which I almost could work out, but not fast enough. I had some fun and some frustration trying, but that's as it should be.

I propose that we let anyone who can come up a good rule to run one of these. If there is one going on, you should wait until the previous one is done, but you can reserve your spot in advance, of course. Just post that "I have a rule, can I go next?"

Right now the floor is open to everyone.

I don't have a good rule in mind right now, but I'll suggest that people should feel free to expand on the parameters of this game and look, for example, at associating words to phrases or continuing sequences of integers according to some general rule. Anything that gives unambigous answers for certain type of puzzle or seed is OK, but relying too much on specific real word knowledge is somewhat dubious, and you should at least warn about it.

Depending on, say, the alphabetical order involves real word knowledge too, if you really insist, but that is something we can assume to be familiar to everyone who reads this forum. But if you think up something that involves, for example, chemistry or poetry, do mention it :)

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08-06-2008 at 11:20 AM
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I've been lurking on this topic for a while. I have created several rules that seem fun, but I haven't been able to crack one in time to post. So...I have a rule. I'm on the list!

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08-06-2008 at 02:52 PM
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You can start any time you like, zex20913, because I don't see anybody else wanting to go before you. Just go ahead :)
08-07-2008 at 10:43 AM
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Allrighty. I'll just take some of the recent ones that were proposed, and score them. I'll drop a hint in a few days if necessary.

spoonfeed--0
billowy--0
deified--0
abacab--3
iknowtherule--3
curiousshyrabbit--3
drawer--2

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08-07-2008 at 04:07 PM
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Hrrrm...no takers?

This rule does require (very) basic knowledge about the English alphabet.

Hrrrm--0
no--1
takers--2

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08-10-2008 at 10:03 PM
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Let me make some tentative guesses then...

This -- 1
rule -- 1
does -- 1
require -- 3
very -- 1

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08-10-2008 at 10:25 PM
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Not quite...

Correct guesses: This.

Incorrect guesses: rule(2), does(0), require(0), very(2)



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08-10-2008 at 11:43 PM
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In the hope that some of these folks will come back to try their hands...

Pekka--0
silver--0
Tahnan--0
Doom--0
Robobob--3
Chaco--1
Sillyman--1

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08-11-2008 at 09:31 PM
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I have an idea for a rule, so I'd like to join in and have a go at guessing this one.

I can see some sort of trend, but it's quite complicated so I doubt it's right. Anyway, I'll guess that:

Beethro -- 1
Roach -- 0
Mimic -- 2
Kwerulous -- 1

If they're wrong, please would you correct them?
08-11-2008 at 10:49 PM
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These are all correct. I think you've got the idea of what the rule is.

Edit: Beethro is scored incorrectly. It should be 0 instead of 1.

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08-11-2008 at 11:33 PM
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I'm convinced that was a fluke, but I did originally think "Beethro" was 0, so I'll try a few more to test:

Deadly -- 0
Rooms -- 0
Of -- 1
Death -- 0
08-12-2008 at 08:59 AM
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All but Deadly (1) are scored correctly.

And technically, in some versions of this rule, you'd be right with Deadly being 0. But not in this version.

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08-12-2008 at 02:04 PM
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All but Deadly (1) are scored correctly.

And technically, in some versions of this rule, you'd be right with Deadly being 0. But not in this version.

Yes, I can see why. That sparked it - I think I know what it is now :D
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...zex20913, I was just wondering if you're going to wrap this up. I don't mean to sound like I'm pushing you off-stage so I can have a go, but it's been five days and nobody else seems to have a clue what your rule is. Maybe a few final words for us to score and hint to what the rule is?



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08-17-2008 at 11:40 PM
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Fair enough. Here are some final words, with an untiltime for the rule.


group

theory

galois

inverse

word

iterate

eliminate

count


Those words may spark some other rule findings. If not, here is the rule.



Step one: Eliminate any consecutive pair of either consonants or vowels. For the purposes of this rule, y counts as a vowel.

Step two: Repeat step one until there are no more pairs.

Step three: The score is the number of remaining vowel-consonant or consonant-vowel pairs (starting with the first consonant). Unpaired letters do not count towards the score.

Why the group theory you may ask? Well...mathy stuff ahead. You have been warned. You know how 5 and -5 sum to zero? This is the additive inverse property. Group theory says change addition to "general operation". And there are some groups (essentially a collection with an operation) where things are their own inverse--when they operate on themselves, they make the identity (like zero--when you operate with the identity, you do nothing to what you operate upon.)

So you can change every consonant to "c" and every vowel to "o", and make a word like ccooocococococccoc. Since cc does nothing, and oo does nothing, you can eliminate the pairs to:

ccooocococococccoc
ooocococococccoc
ocococococccoc
ococococococ.

Since there are no pairs left, this gives a score of 6, for 6 "oc" pairs.



And Kwerulous--just zex is fine. You solved the rule (I'm pretty sure), after all.

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OK, I'll score two, and let other people do the rest:

Group - 0
Theory - 1

Pretty sure they're right. I'm only 75% sure I know what the rule is.

EDIT - Oh, I was right. But my method of working out was all over the place, though.

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