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This is a variant of "Corrupt a Wish" except there's just one Jin, and there's sort of a "goal".

I will grant each poster 3 wishes. Your goal is to try to get a positive outcome for yourself. My goal is to interpret your wishes as literally as possible to give you a bad outcome.
If you get a good outcome, you win and win 2 mod points (though not the actual positive outcome you wished for, sorry - I'm not really omnipotent). If you get a bad outcome, I win and you owe me one mod point (if you don't have the 2 points it takes to give me +1, you may not post). If I lose more than I win, I will retire and appoint a replacement.

Some other little rules:
Since I'm unable to respond to every post immediately, there may be a queue. If the queue is already 5 deep, don't post (or, rather, I will feel free to disqualify and ignore your post).

Maximum of 90 words and 6 conjunctions. Use of incorrect grammar to avoid conjunctions or duck under the limit will cause me to just post an edited version of your wish (with a note about which parts will be ignored for going over the conjunction or word limit) and ask if that's really what you meant.

Your entire wishes must be within the 90 words. I am free to ignore outside sources when interpreting your wish, and to disqualify wishes like "I wish you would do everything I posted in <link> this thread".

Wishes must be in English and use only words I (with the help of dictionary.com if needed) believe to be real words. While I won't say I require you to use proper spelling and grammar, I will say that I will abuse your spelling and grammar mistakes to the utmost when attempting to grant your wishes in a manner which has a bad outcome for you. And I will be a stickler for the subjunctive mood.

You may dispute that I literally granted your wishes, in which case I will appoint an appropriately neutral judge to decide the outcome. You may also debate my definitions of the words "good" and "bad" in relation to the outcome (i.e. if I turn you into a cat, you might say "I like being a cat. this is a good outcome. pay up."), however, the actual judgement criterion will be "that which most people would consider to be a bad outcome". I may also appoint a neutral judge to resolve such a dispute if I cannot convince you that most people would, in fact, consider the outcome bad (to continue the previous example: I would argue that the loss of freedom and intelligence and ability to play DROD implied by being a cat is generally considerable as a 'bad outcome'). You are entitled a creative outcome, though not necessarily a humorous one (though the Jin must try for both).

If your wishes can be shown to cause contradiction, it will be a draw, no mod points.

At my discretion, if I find your wishes to be particularly easy to break, I might say "are you sure?" in which case you have 24 hours to edit. Alternatively, someone else might also post "are you sure?" and I will wait until you edit before taking action. However, this is the only form of acceptable kibbitz - you may not tell the soon-to-be-victim WHY you said "are you sure?". If you do, I will probably throw out that entry (no mod points either way).

Obviously, if I disappear for too long, someone else may take over my job as Jin (not that I would notice or care, eh?).

If you wish for a bad outcome for yourself ("I wish I would die"), then I may just grant it (and probably win, depending on the other two wishes).

If a wish makes no sense (i.e. you wish that something didn't happen which, in fact, didn't happen) then I may just take it as granted (and probably win, depending on the other two wishes, since you just waste one wish and valuable word-space).

I may disallow certain kinds of duplication (such as taking a previously tried wish and just alterting a few words or tossing in a conjunction to try to improve the outcome), though some duplication is allowed (i.e. more than one person can use "I wish for a million dollars," as the beginning of their wishes).

The Jin is considered a master of both space _and time_. Granting of your wish may alter the past. The rules of physics may be violated in granting your wish, but may not remain violated afterwards -- such a wish will be considered to cause a contradiction, which, as previously mentioned, is a draw (note that this rules out wishing for magical powers, omnipotence or more wishes).

Meta-wishes (wishes about wishes) may be disqualified, especially if I believe they would lead to requiring me to look outside of your 90 words to take in your meaning. Other forms of meta-situational wishes may be disqualified as well, such as wishes about the wish-granter (the fictional Jin), the author of the wish-granter (the real forumer playing the role), the wishing game, and mechanism of delivering the wishing game.

I may choose to interact with the players while playing out the resolution. Parameters will be made clear on a case by case basis.

One at a time mode: At your discretion, you may say "I opt for one at a time mode" (which doesn't count towards your word limit), in your initial post. We will count whether your condition is good or bad after the third wish is granted as The Outcome. This changes the semantics of contradiction, though, from a draw to a loss for the player (so you can't just get out a bad first 2 wishes by wishing for 2+2 to equal 5). You may choose to use the second and third wishes to improve your current condition, or you may "blow a raspberry" and negate your previous wish(es).

I might have to add other rules, but I will allow re-editing of extant entries if this is the case.

HINT: be careful what you wish for. If you wish at all. I believe that a review of Twilight Zone episodes and various movies involving jini or deals-with-the-devil will show how slanted this game is in my favor :)

also: use of wishes from extant wish literature may be considered duplication, at my discretion.

off-topic edit: this is the 20,000th post in this forum.


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One at a time mode please.

Wish #1: I wish for a first aid kit.

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Ok, I guess I'll give it a try...

I wish:
1) for world peace.
2) I would legally obtain $100,000,000 dollars today directly from the National Mint printed specifically for me.
3) for a Ham and Cheddar Cheese sandwich on White with mustard.

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I think the idea is you wish once, then something bad happens, and then you have to get out of your bad situation with your other two wishes and force Jin here to give you something good.

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One at a time mode, please.

I wish that this wish wouldn't be so stupid.

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Cool game. If anyone loses and can't afford to mod silver up, I'll mod Silver up for him - this is to allow everyone to participate, mod points or not.

I opt for one at a time mode.

I wish I could mod Silver up for free.

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silver wrote:
I will grant each poster 3 wishes.

Perhaps I misunderstood this...?

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Silver was not specific as to whether you need to post all your wishes at once or whether you can post them one at a time. The latter strategy seems wiser.

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You know, even though Bedazzled (both 1967 and 2000) was one of the examples I was thinking of as "wish literature," I hadn't really thought of structuring this that way. I was more or less imagining use of a combination of wishes to try to make an airtight outcome (i.e. "I wish that I knew the winning lottery numbers for next week's drawing. I wish that next weeks's drawing proceeds normally without being rigged, or having the equipment altered or invalidated. I wish that the usual number of people enter randomly such that there is no perception of an usual drawing, but that no one else would enter the numbers that will win next week's drawing."(*) )

I believe I will consider allowing entries of the 1-at-a-time type, however - we will count whether your condition is good or bad after the third wish as The Outcome. I believe that this will dramatically lower your chances of winning, so I give everyone who has posted so far a chance to revise. However, you may disagree (thinking that it's better to know what I will do to you before trying to counter it) and prefer to stay in this 1-at-a-time mode.

The rules shall now state that you may enter 1 wish per post provided you say "I opt for one at a time mode." (which will not count against your word limit). Things which happen as a result of the first wish, you may either try to correct with the second wish, or (following Bedazzled) you may raspberry and negate the wish altogether, having lost nothing but some word-count :).
Note that the word limit counts to all 3 of your wishes, however I'll increase it to 90 words and 6 conjunctions.

Current entries will be processed after they are edited.

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(*) For the record, you win the lottery! Relatives you've never heard of before come out of the woodwork. One is your cousin Jack, whom you discover works for the company that writes the software for the lottery website. The DA decides not to pursue charges of fraud against you, but your win is reversed. Jack is fired for lying about his relatives during the security check. He blames you and keys your car.


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silver wrote:
If your wishes can be shown to cause contradiction, it will be a draw, no mod points.

It's rather difficult to tell if they contradict one another if they are not all present... It'd also be rather difficult to determine one outcome without all three wishes present. Additionally, it'd be more difficult to keep track of several people making one wish at a time, including the "current" outcome, etc.

However, I guess you're right - it could be interpreted either way.

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Kevin_P86 wrote:
silver wrote:
If your wishes can be shown to cause contradiction, it will be a draw, no mod points.

It's rather difficult to tell if they contradict one another if they are not all present...

Oh, thanks for reminding me about this rule alteration:

=> If you say "I opt for one at a time mode", then contradiction shall lead not to a draw, but a loss for you the player. (i.e. no getting out of the first two being bad by simplying wishing for tea and no tea at the same time)


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I edited my post above to include the opt-in statement.

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current queue: 4 of 5 spots used.
1) Chaco (may edit his entry due to rule change)
2) Kevin_P86 (may edit his entry due to rule change)
3) UrAvgAzn (may edit his entry due to rule change)
4) eytanz, 1 at a time mode. 1 wish and 9 words and 0 conjunctions used. Jin is pondering.


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I am content with my wishes as they are.

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1 at a time please.

Wish#1: I wish that someone nice would buy my product for a good price (for me and him) and be very happy with it.

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I have edited my previous post to be more clear.

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Having such terrible things planned for Kevin_P86 and eytanz has left me feeling somewhere generous to you, Jason. I will merely give you a grammar lesson and a draw for now :)

Jason's wish:
"I wish that someone nice would buy my product for a good price (for me and him) and be very happy with it."

Today's lesson is: be careful with your pronouns. The antecedent is technically the most recent thing :)

A nice fellow shows up at your door and offers you a decent price for your product. The price being agreeable, you accept and he leaves happy about the price. He's not, however, happy about the product. He returns the next days and demands a refund.

(Situation currently a draw).

current queue: 5 of 5 spots used.
1) Chaco. 1 at a time mode. 1 wish and 7 words and 0 conjunctions used. Jin is pondering.
2) Kevin_P86, regular mode. wishes fit within size parameters. Jin is pondering.
3) UrAvgAzn (may edit his entry due to rule change)
4) eytanz, 1 at a time mode. 1 wish and 9 words and 0 conjunctions used. Jin is pondering.
5) Jason, 1 at a time mode. 1 wish and 23 words and 2 conjunctions used. 1 wish granted. Situation is neutral.

(preserving these wishes, which may not be further edited)

Chaco's wish:
"I wish for a first aid kit."

Kevin_P86's wish:
"I wish for world peace. I wish I would legally obtain $100,000,000 dollars today directly from the National Mint printed specifically for me. I wish for a Ham and Cheddar Cheese sandwich on White with mustard."

eytanz' wish:
"I wish I could mod Silver up for free."


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Kevin_P86's wishes:
"I wish for world peace. I wish I would legally obtain $100,000,000 dollars today directly from the National Mint printed specifically for me. I wish for a Ham and Cheddar Cheese sandwich on White with mustard."

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"My dear Kevin, your wish is my command. I will have to set those first two wishes in motion a few months ago so that you get a timely delivery."

<bamf> <rumble> <honking>

"I'm outside, in the truck.

"Ah, Here we go. One delivery of 1 million 100 dollar bills (Canadian, of course, since you're from Canada). They were printed by the National Mint over the last several days specifically for you. Just sign this receipt and they are legally yours.

"Oh, I believe the Royal Canadian Mounted Police would like a word with you. They're in the car behind me."

Kevin is arrested for possession of counterfeit currency, and the RCMP question him about his connections to this "National Mint" organization. It appears that the Bank of Canada issues notes, which are printed by one of two companies, neither of which is named "National Mint", in fact there isn't a "National Mint," there is a Royal Canadian Mint, but they only deal with coinage.

Since Kevin is entitled to a lawyer, they leave him in a cell with a glass of water and a sandwhich (Ham and Cheese on White, with mustard, as it turns out). While in waiting in jail, Kevin sees on the news that a plague has struck the world. It apparently has spread to over 99% of the population because it has a long, symptomless time in which it merely spreads before it acts, at which point it is quickly lethal. In fact, the anchor dies spectacularly on camera. The producers would have cut it, but they all died, too. Within a few hours, so did everyone. Except Kevin and some Tibetan monks (who aren't even aware of the situation in the rest of the world). Kevin now kinda wishes the guy with the keys had bothered to die within arm's reach of the door. But the Jin is not listening anymore.

Sadly, we will never find out who the sinister minds behind the National Mint are, what their role was in creation of this plague, and why they singled out Kevin to live. On the other hand, with no one fighting any wars, the world is a very, very peaceful place.

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current queue: 4 of 5 spots used.
1) Chaco. 1 at a time mode. 1 wish and 7 words and 0 conjunctions used. Jin is pondering.
2) UrAvgAzn (may edit his entry due to rule change)
3) eytanz, 1 at a time mode. 1 wish and 9 words and 0 conjunctions used. Jin is pondering.
4) Jason, 1 at a time mode. 1 wish and 23 words and 2 conjunctions used. Situation is neutral.

and, most recently dropped off the list, Kevin_P86, soon to be dying of thirst in a lonely jail cell on a peaceful, empty planet.


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I didn't count, so now I post the wish.

I opt for a one at a time mode.
Wish #1: I wish that Silver can't post in this thread anymore.

Quick edit: I will delete the other one now.

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silver wrote:
Kevin_P86's wishes:

If you are referring to a company called "National Mint" you would not refer to it as "The National Mint", just like you wouldn't refer to Caravel Games as "The Caravel Games" or to Microsoft as "The Microsoft". Therefore, I do not believe you can argue I was requesting money from a company entitled National Mint, but rather simply using National as an adjective to describe Mint - the Mint which is National. If that is the case, then obtaining this money would not be illegal and I would in fact not be "soon to be dying of thirst in a lonely jail cell on a peaceful, empty planet" (although the "peaceful" part would still be accurate!).

And where that plague came from, I'm not too sure - must be an unfortunate coincidence...!

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leaving aside for the moment that "national" is ambiguous, and that the Royal Canadian Mint is legally obliged to only strike coins and not print bills, I can quickly search the web and find numerous examples of mints being referred to with or without "the". It appears to be a convention of the English language that "the" is neither necessary nor incorrect, and we can speak as well of "Franklin Mint" or "the Franklin Mint."

here's just a couple:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Collector%27s_Mint
http://www.danburymint.com/heirloom/


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Ok, even if you do assume that I got the bills from the company called The National Mint (which it is very clear is not able to print legal tender), in effect there is no difference from this money and Monopoly money, for example. There is nothing stating that I will attempt to spend (or do anything, for that matter) with this money, and being in possession of it is no different from posessing Monopoly money (which no one will argue is certainly not illegal).

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... Monopoly money (which no one will argue is certainly not illegal).
Watch the triple negations -- they can really turn around and bite you in a game like this ;)
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I don't know about canadian law, but under US law, it's illegal merely to possess counterfeit currency http://law.onecle.com/uscode/18/510.html , though there is a clause about "intent to defraud," which is something that would be decided at trial time, and perhaps you'd've gotten off if humanity had survived until your trial.

While they wouldn't arrest you for possessing currency which doesn't resemble actual Canadian currency, they did arrest you, thus we can assume that the currency delivered was a decent forgery and not flagrantly fake.

While I'm just assuming that Canadian law is similar w.r.t. possession versus usage of counterfeit currency, it's pretty much moot - as it is possible (even common) for people engaged in activities which _might be suspicious_ to get detained early and released after some clarifying questions or intervention by a lawyer, and your lawyer's circulatory system disintegrated while he was driving to the station.


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silver wrote:
I don't know about canadian law, but under US law, it's illegal merely to possess counterfeit currency http://law.onecle.com/uscode/18/510.html , though there is a clause about "intent to defraud," which is something that would be decided at trial time, and perhaps you'd've gotten off if humanity had survived until your trial.

While they wouldn't arrest you for possessing currency which doesn't resemble actual Canadian currency, they did arrest you, thus we can assume that the currency delivered was a decent forgery and not flagrantly fake.

While I'm just assuming that Canadian law is similar w.r.t. possession versus usage of counterfeit currency, it's pretty much moot - as it is possible (even common) for people engaged in activities which _might be suspicious_ to get detained early and released after some clarifying questions or intervention by a lawyer, and your lawyer's circulatory system disintegrated while he was driving to the station.

The laws are the same here.

I'm pretty sure

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It is certainly possible (even likely) that the law w.r.t. possession of counterfeit currency is the same. So based on the current scenario, I will admit defeat.

However, if you can invent happenings that are completely unrelated to the wishes (i.e. the death of everyone else on earth, in the case of my wishes), you can never lose. In fact, you can introduce this scenario in everyone's wishes ("... which causes everyone in the world to spontaneously combust except you"), and no one could every argue that that by itself is a bad outcome (regardless of what else that's good happens), so you'd always trivially win.

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The death of everyone on earth was directly related to your "peace on earth" wish - everyone dying certainly made things more peaceful.

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eytanz wrote:
The death of everyone on earth was directly related to your "peace on earth" wish - everyone dying certainly made things more peaceful.
Perhaps.
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Sadly, we will never find out who the sinister minds behind the National Mint are, what their role was in creation of this plague, and why they singled out Kevin to live.
This supports another theory.
silver wrote:
On the other hand, with no one fighting any wars, the world is a very, very peaceful place.
While this supports your theory. It's interesting that they lie in the same paragraph...!

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09-11-2006 at 06:31 AM
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That was just my trying to show how the Jin cleverly set about putting your first 2 wishes in motion with the creation of one thing (the evil National Mint) instead of two.

Had you not wished for world peace, I'd've done something else entirely. But world peace is generally easiest to solve by getting rid of those pesky humans.


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