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Briareos wrote:
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Christians on the forum in this case
That's strange - I could only find one...

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(Heh... I guess some people definitively must have been upset over it's lyrics when it came out in 1985... :))

Speaking of controversial signature type stuff - I find the np stuff irritating because:
* it's not actually in the signature so I can't choose not to see it
* it's irrelevant information
* I don't care
08-14-2006 at 01:07 PM
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I think it's great that viewing signatures is optional here.
Thank Krishna for that.

The signatures bug me a little, but all signatures bug me a little. Once I again no longer have to see them when replying, I will once more not care. (Also, is it just me, or did signatures used to not show up when you weren't logged in? I prefer it that way)
I'd missed the option for viewing (or not) signatures. Now I can read posts without a red haze in front of my eyes.
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I'm Sorry I started this. I just was asking Jordan to put on the "Jesus is Lord" because he already had it and had forgotten to put it in his new account. I didn't mean for everybody to.

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Jason wrote:
Definitely not. All we have to do is find the evidence.

Interesting link, I did find some things that made the probability of a god bigger than I thought before. It's very big, so I haven't read the whole thing. I may have missed the evidence for God.

Anyway, this topic shouldn't be about this, so we could continue in PM form, or make a new topic( if it's okay with the authorities). Or we could stop. It all depends on your interest in debates as an end, because it's pretty unlikely anyone will convince the other when we're discussing these issues.

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I for one hate religous debates on forums. They always explode into ferioucious flame wars and where everyone is dragged in whether they like it or not. I much perfer them in real life where you actually see the people so you aren't as likely to start insulting and flaming.

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Personally, this whole signature thing seems like a battle that has no clear victor. On one hand, people have the right to express their religion freely, but the people who don't believe in that particular religion shouldn't be forced to see it on every post. What we need now is compromise. I say this not with power, but with a belief that negotiation will solve this dilemma

I suggest that people with "Jesus is Lord" signatures put them in secret tags, just like Ezlo had done, as that solves both parties' complaints. People who don't believe won't have to see it on every post, but all those who do will still be able to profess their faith. I understand both parties' views, but I really don't think that we should be flaming over this. We just need to compromise. Sound good?

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In my experience, I've found they just tend to drag out for long periods of time without convincing either party of the other's ideas.

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Meh :) I'm not trying to flame anyone. Everybody have a right to have whatever signature they like (as far as I'm concerned), but I have the right to find it mildly offensing. I think gamer_extreme_101's idea is quite good and would be grateful if those with "Jesus is Lord" signatures would follow it. It's not that you should, or ought to do it, but I would be grateful.
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Actually, I think negotiation isn't the way this thing should be handled at all. I'm not going to hide my faith in a secret tag because someone may be offended at seeing someone who identifies themselves with Jesus. Honestly, if I'm being a nuisance with my faith, then that's grounds to curb it--fine, I wholeheartedly recognize that--but if I'm talking about DROD, playing the forum games, etc... and don't even mention Him--who cares?

I didn't tell (and I will never tell) Maurog to change his signature. In fact, I won't tell anyone to change their signatures. If I can respect people's decisions and not feel threatened by what they put in their signatures, shouldn't I receive the same treatment?

By the way, I love religious arguments. They give me an opportunity to sharpen my sword and research areas that I'm weak in. As long as they are had among people where maintaining respect and courtesy remains tantamount--they can be incredibly fruitful. But I agree with others and don't think the internet is the proper place for one. It's easy to lose the respect and the courtesy when you're squaring off with an anonymous person and have all the time in the world to construct a response. I'd be happy to PM anyone, though.

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I'd like it if people would not worry so much about this signature thing. It shouldn't be affecting anyone terribly much. I suspect that some of us have strong opinions on more important religious issues than a virtual bumper sticker, and it is a little tempting to imagine a bigger controversy and get on the soapbox.

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It would have taken me pages to write that one paragraph, Erik. I couldn't agree more.

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Conversation I had with a friend once (translated):

Me: Do you genuinely believe I'm going to hell ?
Friend: Yes. Does that bother you ?
Me: No, not really. It may be true for you that I'm going to hell, but it's not true for me.

We're still good friends.

People believe a lot of things. What's true for you (the general "you", not referring to anyone specific here) isn't necessarily true for others, and vice versa. Don't let religion get between you, respect people's right to believe something you don't -- even if that condemns them to eternal suffering in your eyes, it's their choice. People are responsible for their own actions and beliefs.

As long as we respect people's right to believe whatever they want, we'll all get along!

(This is all my belief, of course. Feel free to disagree with it. It won't affect me anyway ;))

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To me this signature IS offensive. I find it offensive when someone publacally praises someone who wants to send me to a place where I will be tortured forever. That's what the God of the bible will do to those who don't belive in him (like me). I certanly think people may belive whatever they want, but I don't really want them to publically praise the one they belive is going to torture me after I die.

I don't want to offend anyone and I have enjoyed reading everyone's comments. No one has responded to this issue that Blondbeard raised so I would like to. You may or may not choose to read it that is why I have made it secret text.

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Just a note: I like the public signatures because they give me little more insite into all you wonderful fellow DROD players. While Jesus is Lord to me, I have chosen not to put that on my signature instead I have used mine to help explain my avatar. So far over the year or so I have had it only one person has ever commented on the link I have and that was by PM. They just had a question and did not say it offended them.

I support free speech but with some limits and would not want any bad language or purposely insulting type stuff - stuff like "so and so is rude or ugly" where names are named.

Yet if they said "support the war" or "stop the war" that's is their right I think. I may be too United States'ish here with how I veiw the freedom of speech for an international forum but that is up to you to decide.

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Svante wrote:
-Svante( who hopes Rabscuttle doesn't find this way to end posts annoying)

It's a bit pointless. Your name is already just to the left so I see it when I start reading your post. It's not like I'll forget before I reach the end. (and if I do, I just have to do is look up and to the left)

It might possibly be less pointless if you're signing a different name to your forum name, but I still think it's kind of dumb.

But at least it's short and the same each time.



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Oooooh! Let me think of a good way to end all my posts. Hmmmm... Let me think.


I got it! I shall use: Annoy Rabscuttle On! ;)

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In the spirit of this thread, I am going to take all the thinly-veiled jokes about my sign-off phrase personally and will be deeply offended and use my admin powers to change everyone's password to "tapioca". Except that it would be something else because now you all know.

Seriously though, I have been thinking about retiring the sign-off, but I wanted to have a good reason to do it, like my 5000th post. Unfortunately, I passed that a while back without even noticing. (Eytan and Erik still have me beat if anyone is curious.) So I guess it is going to stick around for a while. Nyah!

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So I guess it is going to stick around for a while. Nyah!

I have to admit that of all these things, that probably bothers me the least.

Game on on.
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Rabscuttle wrote:
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So I guess it is going to stick around for a while. Nyah!

I have to admit that of all these things, that probably bothers me the least.

Game on on.

I actually appeciate it, it goes to show your detication to the forums, Oneiromancer, because not only would you have saved minutes, if not hours, writing game on, but you have managed to remeber to do it each and every time, whereas someone like me would forget after the second or third post.

To be honest, I'm slightly jealous i didn't think of it first.
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I actually appeciate it, it goes to show your detication to the forums, Oneiromancer, because not only would you have saved minutes, if not hours, writing game on, but you have managed to remeber to do it each and every time, whereas someone like me would forget after the second or third post.

To be honest, I'm slightly jealous i didn't think of it first.
Hehe, who says I haven't forgotten it on occasion? I've edited it back in a few times. And I've mistyped it as "Gae on" or "Gam eon" etc and had to edit in the fix. And of course sometimes I will change it to something else when it is appropriate to the thread. Or even leave it out entirely on purpose to make a point.

I remember on the old Demise forums there was a guy named Kevin who would sign off each post with "The tired shadow, Kevin" or "The confused shadow, Kevin" etc. So he'd change his sign-off every post depending on the context of the post. It seemed to work pretty well.

Game on,

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Ezlo wrote:
I for one hate religous debates on forums. They always explode into ferioucious flame wars and where everyone is dragged in whether they like it or not. I much perfer them in real life where you actually see the people so you aren't as likely to start insulting and flaming.

On the other hand, I've seen other topics covered on this forum that normally result in flamewars.

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That's because everyone are afraid of the moderators. People who wrote a single flame post have been known to mysteriously disappear forever, last seen accompanied by two burly men. One of them with a hook, and the other wearing a tophat. If you believe the rumors, the kidnapped people are forced to work in the tar mines...

Either that, or people in here are more mature than in most forums for some reason.

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Maurog wrote:
That's because everyone are afraid of the moderators. People who wrote a single flame post have been known to mysteriously disappear forever, last seen accompanied by two burly men. One of them with a hook, and the other wearing a tophat. If you believe the rumors, the kidnapped people are forced to work in the tar mines...

Either that, or people in here are more mature than in most forums for some reason.

Perhaps because the game of DROD actually requires thinking things through, thus removing many spammers from the list of potentials.

No, I'm serious. Often I start a post, then decide not to post it because it's offensive or more pointless than some of the things that get said here.
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Or Elfstone's -Clickstone or -Happystone, etc.

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I'll voice here that I'm totally with Erik on how we'd like the Caravel Forum to be used and also in our hope that minor infractions don't become a big irritant to people. This is a place I'd like everyone to feel comfortable sharing in gaming goodness. :)

Regarding "freedom of..."

When the US Constitution ensures personal freedoms in the First Amendment, note that this is limited to the government not taking action to limit personal freedoms. In other words, citizens are guaranteed the government will not use force to limit individual expression. It doesn't mean, however, that the government must provide means for people to say (etc) whatever they want to say. That's up to the people themselves.

I mention this to point out that the 1st Amend. doesn't imply everyone has the right to use another's privately-owned Internet forum (or newspaper, broadcast station, etc) to say whatever they want to. In this case, the owners/administrators of the medium have all power and right to control what is transmitted.

That said, I enjoy getting to know everyone on the DROD forum and appreciate all good things which are contributed to our exciting community! :thumbsup

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You know, regardless what I think about people who like putting 'Jesus is Lord' in their signatures, but why would someone want to create three accounts just for the sake of putting the same signature there? It seems very 'product placement' to me.
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You know, regardless what I think about people who like putting 'Jesus is Lord' in their signatures, but why would someone want to create three accounts just for the sake of putting the same signature there? It seems very 'product placement' to me.

Who did that? -_-

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Once again I find myself in the awkward position of agreeing with Tim. Regardless of the topic of discussion here, isn't it a bit against the forum rules to create multiple accounts? I'd say you need a good reason, and then you should at least announce somewhere that this newest member X is in fact none other than good old Y.

I noticed the new member "Jordan", and did just wonder for a moment, but I didn't even bother to check. Next time I'll be more cynical - Tim is converting me. Or maybe it's not the same person, but merely coincidence. Could even be someone framing bjladd/Von Krieg.. Where's Syntax?
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Once again I find myself in the awkward position of agreeing with Tim.
To be honest, I feel proud of having someone as great as you agreeing with me :)
I'd say you need a good reason, and then you should at least announce somewhere that this newest member X is in fact none other than good old Y.
Note that Von Krieg did announce he won't use bjladd any more (can't find the post right now). That's why I was suspicious why a name like Jordan is needed.
I noticed the new member "Jordan", and did just wonder for a moment, but I didn't even bother to check. Next time I'll be more cynical - Tim is converting me. Or maybe it's not the same person, but merely coincidence. Could even be someone framing bjladd/Von Krieg.. Where's Syntax?
A mod can probably check if they are the same, but they do have a similiar home page link...
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Well, my take on the matter is that the bjladd to Von Krieg change is perfectly fine--if he wants to use the new name, then sure. And if he wants to change the signature on the old name, since he already had several posts with it, whatever, there's no rule against that (so long as it meets the general forum rules). With the 3rd name, though, things are starting to get weird. I think it's probably the most reasonable for Von Krieg to choose one screen name and we'll disable the others. There really is no reason to have more than one screen name--if you decide you want to change, fine, but it confuses everyone if multiple names are used.

Note that I don't know for certain if Jordan is the same as the other 2 until he posts. But all the other evidence (including the middle name listed for Von Krieg) certainly points that way.

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