zex20913
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I see.

Uh...I feel dumb. Good kill though.

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Glad I can help. It doesn't really matter, though, as I don't think anyone left in the central arena has a realistic chance to end up in the top three anymore.

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kie's dead anyway. Bumping has prolonged her life - instead of dying on move 291 she now dies on move 297.

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Well, I think technically I'm dead anyway too - I don't see how I could possibly win this thing. But Kie's bumping prolonged my life considerably.

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eytanz wrote:
Well, I think technically I'm dead anyway too - I don't see how I could possibly win this thing. But Kie's bumping prolonged my life considerably.

It is technically still possible for you to win this thing. In the scenario I found where that happens, you and I both die on move 350, but I move before you, and so you win.

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Chris wrote:

eytanz wrote:
Well, I think technically I'm dead anyway too - I don't see how I could possibly win this thing. But Kie's bumping prolonged my life considerably.

It is technically still possible for you to win this thing. In the scenario I found where that happens, you and I both die on move 350, but I move before you, and so you win.

Well, it may be a technical possibility, but I'm pretty sure it's actually impossible. For one, given your technological advantage here, I think it's only possible if you don't have any way to force a win at any point in the decision tree that leads to my putative victory.

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Hey, Chris? Are there any ways at all right now for me to escape the SE quadrant of the game map?

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zex20913
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Yes! There is a way for you to get into the lower East chamber, where you will have approximately 3 moves to live, after you've landed. Thereby extending Rabidchild's life.

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So now that I'm doomed, where did I place?

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Beef Row wrote:
So now that I'm doomed, where did I place?

Have a look here

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zex20913 wrote:
Yes! There is a way for you to get into the lower East chamber, where you will have approximately 3 moves to live, after you've landed. Thereby extending Rabidchild's life.

That's still the SE quadrant I'm using the block in the middle as an arbitrary centerpoint.

Obviously I'll last longer by not entering that chamber. So I won't. Sorry, RabidChild.

:bares snakey fangs at everyone else in the SE: OK, let's see if I can bring someone else down before I go..

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I predict michthro will win. He can stop anyone else from entering his area which is spacious enough for him to wait out everyone else's demise.

I think he could have jumped instead of bumping at his last decision point.

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The snakes trapped in the SE corner of the map (myself included) are mostly doomed within, I believe at most the next five days. However, Kevin is still able to escape up to the north and outlast everyone else... *if* Tuttle doesn't stop him. Tuttle is the only snake that can block Kevin's escape, if he bumps at his next choice, which I believe is turn 292.

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Rabscuttle wrote:
I predict michthro will win. He can stop anyone else from entering his area which is spacious enough for him to wait out everyone else's demise.

YAYYY!!!! Yep. I can survive until at least turn 516. It would take a lot of suiciding for me not to win, or a very nasty surprise. . The battle for 2nd and 3rd is going to be very interesting, though.

I think he could have jumped instead of bumping at his last decision point.

I thought about jumping and gaining another 28 turns on the snakes above me, but decided to keep it simple and seal myself in as soon as possible. I'm not sure, but I think there was a chance that you'd be able to join me, which I really don't want (no offence). No need to risk that, anyway.

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I am probably doomed; however I think I might last a bit longer than the snakes in the SE corner at least.

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michthro wrote:

Rabscuttle wrote:
I predict michthro will win. He can stop anyone else from entering his area which is spacious enough for him to wait out everyone else's demise.

YAYYY!!!! Yep. I can survive until at least turn 516. It would take a lot of suiciding for me not to win, or a very nasty surprise.

*shakes fist* It should have all been mine! MINE, I tell you! *shakes fist*

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michthro wins everything.

Kidding. Congrats.

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*shakes fist* It should have all been mine! MINE, I tell you! *shakes fist*

hehehe.. Have a consolation point instead. What can I say? That's how this game goes. The best you can do is realise where the right places to be are, keep your options open, and hope for the best. Then you have a small chance of getting where you want to be. If you do get there, there's an excellent chance that something will go wrong. So luck went my way, and not yours.

But don't put all the blame on me. If it hadn't been me going in there, it could have been Beef Row, or kie, or goldenlion, or Syril Ram. Even Pinnacle or Sergenth. It was never likely that anyone would have all that to themselves. I was expecting two or three snakes to get in there. Not to rub it in, but there's so much space, that even if you had joined me, the winner would still have been one of us, assuming the ones above us all last reasonably long.

I'm going to look really silly if someone still pulls something out of the hat.

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michthro wrote:

eytanz wrote:
*shakes fist* It should have all been mine! MINE, I tell you! *shakes fist*

hehehe.. Have a consolation point instead. What can I say? That's how this game goes. The best you can do is realise where the right places to be are, keep your options open, and hope for the best. Then you have a small chance of getting where you want to be. If you do get there, there's an excellent chance that something will go wrong. So luck went my way, and not yours.

But don't put all the blame on me. If it hadn't been me going in there, it could have been Beef Row, or kie, or goldenlion, or Syril Ram. Even Pinnacle or Sergenth. It was never likely that anyone would have all that to themselves. I was expecting two or three snakes to get in there. Not to rub it in, but there's so much space, that even if you had joined me, the winner would still have been one of us, assuming the ones above us all last reasonably long.

I'm going to look really silly if someone still pulls something out of the hat.

If you hadn't entered when you had, someone else may have made their way in but they would have displaced bflatjeff, not me. Still, I don't actually begrudge you your win. It was well earned - both well played and lucky which is the combination necessary in this game.

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Michthro had his timing down. Maybe if I had started trying to get back in the left side earlier, I would have had a chance at the prize. As it is, I was about 10-15 turns or so (I think) behind Michthro in regards to entering the left side and actually bumped heads with him as he went in.

Still it's been fun, and I plan to be the last snake in the center alive... assuming I can get out of this slightly dangerous situation I'm in at the moment...

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There are five serpents in the center area who have a chance at being last to survive within it - Goldenlion, Chaco, Mikko, Tyrion, and myself. Goldenlion and me are probably best positioned at the moment but that can change rapidly. I think Tyrion has the advantage for being last to move.

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Well, I appear to be dead, unless Rabscuttle goes suicidal.

You know, it's kinda funny. My original plan for that area was to coil around in there for as long as possible. I even found a way to cover every square in the area for either exit. Things looked bright! But then Rabscuttle came a-slitherin', and now my future looks rather dark.

But hey. I'll fill that area if it kills me
Edit: er, scratch that. That route takes an illegal backflip

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So, I think NiroZ's coiling is coming to an end. Looks to me like he's dead on turn 317, unless he suicides early and ends it all at turn 307.

Anyone disagree?



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eytanz wrote:
Well, it may be a technical possibility, but I'm pretty sure it's actually impossible. For one, given your technological advantage here, I think it's only possible if you don't have any way to force a win at any point in the decision tree that leads to my putative victory.

Have you any idea how large the decision tree is? It has more nodes than I can imagine. It would take trillions of years to search it fully. So I'm unable to tell what my best move is at any point until the game is very near the end.

I can run random simulations, but that's of very little help when there's just one cunning path a snake can take. I'm likely to miss it, or lose it in the noise.

What the random simulations are good for is checking whether certain snakes are fated to die on a particular move or not yet, trying to find whether it's possible for a certain snake to still win, etc. But in terms of actually helping me win this thing, I don't think it's much, if any, use at all.

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Hikari wrote:
Hey, Chris? Are there any ways at all right now for me to escape the SE quadrant of the game map?

Yes, you can make it up into the NE quadrant.

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trick wrote:
Well, I appear to be dead, unless Rabscuttle goes suicidal.

So. Rabscuttle went suicidal!

That was unexpected.

- Gerry

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Looks like working during the day has finally killed me! At least I've found a way out of the center, if not for a survivable path... and it's too bad I didn't see it before.

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It killed me too! Meany.

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trick wrote:

trick wrote:
Well, I appear to be dead, unless Rabscuttle goes suicidal.

So. Rabscuttle went suicidal!

That was unexpected.

- Gerry

garg! I forgot to enter moves!

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Graaagh.

You know, it's the waiting that's the worst part. I won't know for another 3.5 hours if I need to modify my movelist at this point or not.

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