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Hello all, I'm back to make my second hold. This hold will be three small levels where you play as a different player role for each one, water skipper, wraithwing, and wubba.

Currently the only level that is (mostly) done is the waterskipper one so that is the level that the hold loads into, but after I have the other two the hold will start on a map screen. This map screen will update to include a location with the end of the hold after the three levels are clear so there won't be blue doors in any of the levels.

The rooms are still very much a work in progress, and are likely to change slightly or majorly between versions of this hold.

You can end the hold currently by leaving to the south of the entrance room, this will lead to the map screen in the completed version.

I'm looking to have this hold be around the 6 brains level of difficulty, so if you see rooms that are too far above or below that please tell me.

The most likely rooms to be completely changed would be 2n1w, 3n1w, 2n1e, and 1e. I feel like these rooms are the weak points in the level, especially 2n1w.

Update 1: Removed 2n1w and made another room, though not in the spot 2n1w used to be so I'll still need to make one more for that room.

Update 2: Added more rooms.

Update 3: Even more rooms, two missing in the wraithwing level and 4 missing in the wubba level, waterskipper level done.

Update 4: All rooms are in place, just fine tuning and polishing to be done now.

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06-14-2016 at 01:52 PM
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Hi. I started playing this but spent way too much time on 2N1W and feel a bit too drained to go on. You mentioned that room as one that you are thinking about changing and I suspect that's a good idea. In general I think this hold is a neat idea and am intrigued by what I see so far. I'll post comments on the rooms I tried out and a demo pack so you can see if there's anything amiss in what I did.

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I'll try to play through the rest of these tomorrow. On the whole I like it so far.

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06-16-2016 at 06:37 AM
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I've changed 1e slightly based on what you said, and I also changed the obstacles and ortho-squares in 2n1w to force arrows, which will hopefully make the room a little less tedious.

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I've mostly finished the waterskipper level now, the only thing that's left is to make an new room for 2n1w, but I'll probably post that new room along with either the wubba or wraithwing level.

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I've played through some more rooms. Demos are attached.

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I eagerly await a new version of 2n1w.
1E Looks good.

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Just for good measure, here's a bunch of demos from me, where I probably do things in mostly the same way but maybe slightly differently than Insoluble did them.

Some quick comments:

1N is a good start, but the movement order on the golems can be a bit annoying if you put them in in the wrong order. I'm not sure what to do about that though; making the bridge 1 or 2 tiles wider ends up changing the Aumtlich beam geometry. I do like that you can use the orb for shelter from the Aumtlich beam, though, that's pretty cool.

2N is an alright room the way it is now, but the fact that you tend to spend a long time moving around the outside to deal with the trapdoors in the center of the +-shaped formations is a bit awkward, since you don't have an intuitive grasp of how much time you're allowed to be doing that. I did beat the challenge timer by a big margin, though, so clearly I must have figured out something good.

3N1W was a bit tricky at first glance, but wasn't so bad once I gave up on being stubborn about trying to light the NE fuses early, and just tried to dive in to light some of the other fuses first. The timer is in a fine spot, I think - keeps you from getting too bogged down but doesn't make you feel like "you were going so fast but you were still too slow".

3N1E isn't *that* bad if you know how Stalwarts move, but dealing with the Stalwart's tendency to try to rotate towards the brain on the east side when he's within about 3 squares of it is a bit annoyingly precise. Still, when you think of the Stalwart's state as only being his position and direction, it's not too hard to figure out some way of making him face a new direction at the same position. I appreciate the clone giving two temporary closings of a door instead of just one or zero.

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After a (not so)short break from DRoD I've returned and started working on this again, I was considering waiting until I had every room I wanted in each level before posting an update, but decided against it.

You'll have to use the editor to access the WIP levels but the waterskipper level has three new rooms and is pretty much done.

Wubba/Wraithwing levels are included in the file but are very much barely started. All the rooms there are very subject to change.

I'm looking to have a pretty similar number of rooms for each level.


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Almost done with room making now, just 6 left to make but I figured I'd post what I have.

I added a temporary hub level for now, once I have all the rooms I'll add an actual map.

After I finish the remaining rooms there will be a phase of testing for USes and general polishing, and unlike my previous hold I'm gonna do that for a lot longer to really iron out the kinks.

The rooms are probably considerably harder than the original 6 brains goal, but difficulty tuning can be done after everything is in place.

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The last 6 rooms have been made, these rooms are a little unpolished in terms of both difficulty and possible USes, but they all exist.

I'm not entirely sure how long this polishing phase will last but
it won't be pushed through until I'm 100% happy with everything.

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I played a bit of the wraithwing level. I like the level aesthetics a lot, and there are some interesting ideas here for sure.

I like that you kept the entrance room basic. Since player roles aren't used all that often it's nice to have the first room in the level keep things simple.

1E: Is another fairly straightforward room but uses the wraithwing player role nicely.

1W: Was mostly a combat room but had the one bit that depended on turn order towards the bottom west. I think having something turn order dependent is fine here since it's pretty clear that's what you need to manipulate to get the monsters spaced out. It definitely fits with the room's theme.

1S1W: Felt like a pretty standard time clone room. It used the swordlessness of the wraithwings nicely though.

1S: This was a nice room and was the room the felt like it emphasized the properties of the wraithwing player role the most.

1S1E: is easy to come up with solutions for but the execution is tedious. I like constructs plenty, but I just don't feel like dancing one around to get one of the possible floor patterns to work. The speed potion helps a bit, but the execution still sadly ruins an otherwise nice room.

Haven't looked closely at other rooms on the level yet. I spent way too much time fiddling with the construct in 1S1E. I'll take a look at the others soon though.

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