blorx1
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Seep can be pushed onto pressure plates and they will trigger the plates, which means they act like ground monsters in some cases.

In other cases, namely pits, seep can be pushed over pits and don't die until the end of their turn, so you can push them back into walls before they die. This means they act like a flying monster in some cases.

I'm not sure which should be chosen, I'm personally partial towards flying because they're gaseous and I wouldn't expect them to trigger plates, but since they can be eaten by adders and stuff, solidity isn't really a major concern. I just find it more believable that they don't fall than that they hit plates.

The attached hold demonstrates this.

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I would expect neither, really. I think seep should die when pushed out of walls in a similar way to monsters getting pushed into pits: immediately, and they don't affect anything.

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In other cases, such as having a door dropped underneath them, they die on their turn and this behavior has been used to block things. Besides, the pushing and not dying immediately has already been used in a published hold, so you can't have neither.

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This is intended.

if (pMonster->wType == M_SEEP)
		return; //seep don't fall, and should die naturally on their turn

And commit message:

TFMurphy:
Seep now no longer fall into pits and water when pushed: they will instead die naturally due to being outside of a wall.

Closing as not a bug.


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Ok, the next part of this question is: is their hitting pressure plates intended? It seems strange that seep don't fall to the bottom of pits but they do fall far enough to trigger plates.

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Ah-ha! Actually they shouldn't. You can't see it for yourself but when I disable the death-outside-wall for seep the plates are automatically depressed at the end of the turn even if they keep standing there and there are places in the code which strongly suggest that is the case.

So fixed this. Seep will no longer press pressure plates in 5.0.2. And I hope it doesn't break any rooms.

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It will break Buried Dungeon : Ruins : Entrance, but blorx1 is right here and can replace that room with something else.

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I don't think it'll break that. That room uses a different aspect of seep which shouldn't be affected (since if this were changed it would break a ton of other rooms too)

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This issue appears to have been fixed for 5.0.2. Seep can no longer activate pressure plates when pushed onto them.