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Final beta version, hurrah.

Now to upload to HA process.

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Here are 2 unintended demos.

[ Edit: removed to save space. ]

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Tim wrote:
Here are 2 unintended demos.

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Where do you put demos?

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I love the concept of "unintended demos". You know, "I was playing through this room and hit F4 completely by accident..."

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I love the concept of "unintended demos". You know, "I was playing through this room and hit F4 completely by accident..."

Well, pressing F4 was intended, but playing was not. If you want to read through 10 pages of the original thread in Architecture, you'll understand.

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I shall look at the demos and see where it was that I went horribly wrong. Thanks, Tim.

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File: CH Level III Potions and Orthosquares 4N1W intended.demo (1.8 KB)
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Okay:

Congratulations Tim, you found the intended solution to Once East, this is almost exactly how I do it.

The purpose of that room is to introduce the player to "don't kill the roaches" so they can handle 1S2E (which is not so much of a room as a "wow, cool" thing.

However, your 4N1W demo is very concerning, since it takes away from the entire point of the room, in my opinion. Here is a demo of my intended solution to the room, which I shall now attempt to enforce.

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File: CH Level III Potions and Orthosquares 4N1W problem.demo (1.5 KB)
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And, this is what ought to happen if you don't wait a turn before taking that invisibility potion.

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Chaco wrote:
Congratulations Tim, you found the intended solution to Once East, this is almost exactly how I do it.

The purpose of that room is to introduce the player to "don't kill the roaches" so they can handle 1S2E (which is not so much of a room as a "wow, cool" thing.

Except that I send you the demo of "kill the roaches first, ask question later". I did, didn't I? Anyway, it is possible to kill the roaches first.

And I like your intended demo of 4N1W.

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The demos2 archive only contains a Level 3 4N1W victory demo and a level 4 1E victory demo, so yeah, I'd like to see how you managed Level 4 1S2E without saving all the roaches.

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Chaco wrote:
The demos2 archive only contains a Level 3 4N1W victory demo and a level 4 1E victory demo, so yeah, I'd like to see how you managed Level 4 1S2E without saving all the roaches.

I mean I can do L4 1E without saving all the roaches.

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Your demo has you blowing up the bombs in the lower part of the room, then killing the roach - which is the entire point of the room.

Can you kill the roach before blowing up the bombs? That would be an unintended solution for this room.

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Chaco wrote:
Can you kill the roach before blowing up the bombs?

Yes.
And I think you've watched your own demo instead of mine.

About 1S2E: demo

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...

Okay, that's... not good.

I'll go see what you did for 1S2E though.

EDIT:

Ooh, ingenious! Luckily, I think I can figure an even better way to fix it.

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Just to make sure: I finished 1E without blowing up the bombs. It's easy to fix. Just add some ortho squares.

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Yes, the "moving diagonally" bit was enough. I fixed it with some arrows pointing downwards.

I've also changed a mere two tiles to prevent any sort of shenanigans with regard to your unintended solution to 1S2E: I don't think it will work any more no matter how many roaches you save.

I'm still working on Level 3 4N1W; in the meantime a demo of your unintended solution for Level 5 2S1W (crumbly walls in large room of down-facing arrows) would be very nice.

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Chaco wrote:
I'm still working on Level 3 4N1W; in the meantime a demo of your unintended solution for Level 5 2S1W (crumbly walls in large room of down-facing arrows) would be very nice.

Personally, I'd say 4N1W is hard enough already

As for L5, I haven't finished L4 (and I don't want to), so I can't reach that room anymore.

But let's say that your current setup allows you to point your sword south when you take the potion.

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Ah ha, and then you kill the roach after you go past the door.

Not too difficult to fix that one - added two bombs below the two orbs. If you hit them, the mimic is blown up and the door closes, but the roach is not blown up.

I'm now uploading a new version with all of the aforementioned fixed.

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Chaco wrote:
Ah ha, and then you kill the roach after you go past the door.

Not too difficult to fix that one - added two bombs below the two orbs. If you hit them, the mimic is blown up and the door closes, but the roach is not blown up.

Before I forget, and I've just replayed the room.
It doesn't matter that much, since after you've passed the door, you can turn around and break every wall anyway

(And now I'm going to bed.)

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File: 2 demos 2.zip (4.3 KB)
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2 more demos if you're interested.

Nothing shocking, really, so if you skip them I don't mind.

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First one: Fine.

Second one: Definitely not fine; skips entire point of the room, which is to get all the crumbly walls on the first visit.

It's a pretty simple matter of moving the door, though, so I've done this.

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Man I stink at spotting unintended solutions. Sorry I didn't catch a single on of these.

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One last thing: I want a demo of L2 secret room. (At this moment I'm really too lazy to do this last room )

Thanks in advance.

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Here you go. There's only so far that planning can take you in that room. However, I do think the solution is at least somewhat elegant.

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1. The demo attached is not that important (it's level 6 after all), but just for fun.

2. I was wondering whether you want to add some "Ending Text" in your hold.

3. About the seal, is it allowed to use something like that? (I better ask the other HAs.)


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Hrmph, that's definitely an unintended solution to Level 6 1W there. Ideally you're supposed to hit that orb up top and then prevent a tar baby from getting into the door-slot, however I can't find much of a way to enforce that the top tar-mother doors get closed that isn't too obvious.

So, I'll probably keep it as-is.

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L3: 2N2E, 2N3E unintended solutions?

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There's no 2N3E in that level - I assume you meant 2N1E and 2N2E?

If you did that using the most recent version on the board, I'd like to see a demo of that.

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File: CH Level III Potions and Orthosquares 2N1E Victory.demo (1.8 KB)
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I sure hope I am using the most recent version. Just redownloaded and DROD thought it was the same.

Here is the demo.

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That one's definitely not intended. However, I believe it could probably be fixed with a couple orthosquares.

EDIT:

Note to self: never say publicly what the room can be fixed with. It turns out the problem is much worse than it appears - there's no easy way to enforce that the player not just place a mimic right into the trapdoor passage and kill that roach, then do the rest of the room, and then use the last mimic to kill the last roach-pod.

It looks like if I blocked the mimic-spot with a roach that could then be removed, then it might work, but I'd have to redesign that part of the room in order to make the roach not just go into the arrow trap.

Were this not on Level 3, I could probably do something with a bomb, but.

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