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I am getting stuck on Eye of the Storm rooms and wondering... do I understand how these buggers work? Probably not.

It looks like the TA can split two times (into a max of three TAs).

What causes them to split? Sometimes a TA runs into an obstacle and doesn't split, even though he hasn't split twice yet.

Are there any other quirks?

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There's no limit to how many times an individual TA splits. A TA splits when there are two paths they can take to get to you, presumably of equal length. So for example:

T
 W
  B-


The T can take either path around the wall obstacle to get to Beethro:

 T
TW
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I immediately see that I'm wrong about the max of 2 splits.

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ErikH2000 wrote:
It looks like the TA can split two times (into a max of three TAs).

No, a TA just splits into a TA and another TA. You can get as many as you want.

What causes them to split? Sometimes a TA runs into an obstacle and doesn't split, even though he hasn't split twice yet.

Essentially a TA is a play off of the "sliding preference" seen with many other monsters - e.g. when a roach can't move diagonally, it'll try to move vertically, then horizontally.

When a TA tries to move diagonally, but can move vertically and horizontally, it will split into a TA that moved vertically and a TA that moved horizontally. Each TA is a new monster.

When a TA tries to move orthogonally, but can move in the two diagonal directions closer to the player, it splits into two new TAs, one for each of the two directions.

 T     
 W   TWT

 B-   B-


Where it might get slightly confusing is that the TA only does this when it's blocked by a wall or other creature - if it's blocked by Beethro's sword it just picks a direction and goes that way without splitting.

Are there any other quirks?

Not particularly. I do recommend you get used to their movement, though, because another monster later in the hold moves exactly like these do.

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Hmm. Good description.

But what are they thinking right before they split in two?

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ErikH2000 wrote:
Hmm. Good description.

But what are they thinking right before they split in two?

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That reminds me, I was a little confused in one room when I was on that level where this happened:
T
|W
B
If Beethro moves SE, it splits in two. If Beethro moves E, it simply moves S without splitting. It doesn't appear to be blocked by a sword at the point it moves.

What's the logic there?

[edit]Hm, I guess a wall and a sword is treated like a sword only in terms of not splitting the aumtlich?

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TripleM wrote:
[edit]Hm, I guess a wall and a sword is treated like a sword only in terms of not splitting the aumtlich?

right, it probably just checks if the original location it wanted to move to (but was blocked from) contains sword (since it already knows it was blocked, it assumes not-contains-sword == obstacle)

(does it split on monsters?)

Chaco wrote:
I do recommend you get used to their movement, though, because another monster later in the hold moves exactly like these do.

I... don't remember another monster splitting (though I'm willing to believe you if you told me
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nevertheless, that's almost certainly what Chaco was referring to when he said the TA moves like something we'd meet later. Silly me for not thinking of it.


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I figure the Temporal Aumtlich is like

"Hm, is /this/ way closer, or that way--I know, I'll go BOTH ways!"
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Right! This guy is filled with rage, and he's going to charge at Beethro however he can. Like a non-deterministic Turing machine, he can pursue multiple paths simultaneously to see which works best.

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mrimer wrote: Like a non-deterministic Turning machine
I feel this is appropriate.

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(Possibly the wrong thread for this, but) are Temporal Aumtliches available in the editor? I've poked around and it looks like no :(

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Temporal Aumtlich are scripted characters.
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But can be copied and pasted from here: http://forum.caravelgames.com/viewtopic.php?TopicID=38640
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What daughter Temporal Aumtlich has priority when a mother aumtlich splits into two? Sometimes moving down then up repeatedly in this situation

AW_____B_-->_W____-->_AW_____B
_A__________A_A___B___*A_A
can produce infinite daughter aumtlich, but sometimes it doesn't because the closer aumtlich has priority and moves out of the way and the farther one isn't forced onto the corner
AW_____B_--_W_____-->_W_____B
_A__________AA___B_____AA
What determines which daughter aumtlich has priority over the other?

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If a TA is blocked diagonally and splits orthogonally, the one to north or south of its old position moves before the one to west or east.

If a TA is blocked orthgonally and splits diagonally, the one further west or further north move before the one further east or further south.

And you can use [ code ] [ /code ] to get monospace text for diagrams:

AW_____B_-->_W____-->_AW_____B
_A__________A_A___B___*A_A


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Every time a temporal aumtlich splits, it actually only creates a single daughter, and the original also makes a move. All daughters are added to the bottom of the hierarchy in the order they were born. If you go through the tiles in the order you'd read words on a page, the original is always the one you would read first.

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