Pekka
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Please give me a hint or two on how to deal with the three Aumtlich that are released at the same time (from the left). I know how to use the wraithwing to delay one of them, but that isn't enough to deal with the two remaining ones, no matter where I push the 'wing.

EDIT: Nevermind, I got it. Here's a minor spoiler:

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key-smiter
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Pekka wrote:Here's a minor spoiler:

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×I needed more help than just the wraithwing.

I'm guessing the hint refers to OK, I'll bite . . . how? Or, for that matter, how can the wraithwing be placed to interfere with two aumtlichs?

Thanks for any hints -

disoriented
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key-smiter wrote:

Pekka wrote:Here's a minor spoiler:

Click here to view the secret text

×I needed more help than just the wraithwing.

I'm guessing the hint refers to

Click here to view the secret text

×using an aumtlich somehow, since that's all that's available.

OK, I'll bite . . . how? Or, for that matter, how can the wraithwing be placed to interfere with two aumtlichs?

Thanks for any hints -

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key-smiter
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Um, yeah . . . I considered this. I can save one of the first two aumtlichs for later, but this leads to being trapped by four of these things, not three.

Or, is there some odd movement attribute of aumtlichs that can force the leftmost three into some useful lineup? If so, I haven't found that either -

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key-smiter wrote:
Um, yeah . . . I considered this. I can save one of the first two aumtlichs for later, but this leads to being trapped by four of these things, not three.

Or, is there some odd movement attribute of aumtlichs that can force the leftmost three into some useful lineup? If so, I haven't found that either -

The maneuvering required to get this working is not particularly easy. However, what you need is something like this:



Josh

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It's worth noting that the intended solution for this room is easier and faster than the solution we've all been using.

key-smiter
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jbluestein wrote, in part:

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Aumtlich on another path, blocking another eyebeam, and frozen by your sword.

The fact that the aumtlich is frozen gives you the extra move you need.

Josh

This may be the root of my problem in this room . . . I've never been able to get the mobile aumtlich to freeze. I can suppose that I need to bring the blocking aumtlich around from behind the middle wall, but I've never been able to have it block and stay stuck both.

and CuriousShyRabbit wrote, in part:
It's worth noting that the intended solution for this room is easier and faster than the solution we've all been using.

My goodness. This sounds even more impossible.

So . . . is the center wall section even where I should be trying the aumtlich trick?

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Still stuck . . . the best I can do with wraithwing positioning is shown in the uploaded screenshot. I'm guessing, as I asked before, that the aumtlich should be trapped behind the center wall - but in any event my ability to position the wraithwing around is very limited.

The room cannot be completed from here; I know that. At this point, though, where should the wraithwing be and how do I arm-twist that monster into being there? For that matter, although the upper and lower walls seem even less useful, is the center really where the shielding aumtlich is meant to be stuck?

Thanks -

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key-smiter wrote:
Still stuck . . . the best I can do with wraithwing positioning is shown in the uploaded screenshot. I'm guessing, as I asked before, that the aumtlich should be trapped behind the center wall - but in any event my ability to position the wraithwing around is very limited.

The room cannot be completed from here; I know that. At this point, though, where should the wraithwing be and how do I arm-twist that monster into being there? For that matter, although the upper and lower walls seem even less useful, is the center really where the shielding aumtlich is meant to be stuck?

Thanks -

I think you could still possibly complete the room from that position. I attached my very inefficient demo where I maneuvered and maneuvered until finally freezing the aumtlich where I needed him. I do recommend checking out CSR's demo, it's much more elegant.


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key-smiter
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Boy, this is sad . . . even armed with your demo, and trying what appears to be the same setup, I still end up with the last two aumtlichs in an unkillable position.

Maybe it's time for a step back before I leave this frustrating room for awhile - one of the earlier hints suggested that freezing an aumtlich with Beethro's sword. It's possible that I encountered "freezing an aumtlich with a sword" earlier and forgot about it. I understand how to immobilize an aumtlich with a mirror; how do you do the same trick with a sword?

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If you hold your sword perpendicular to an aumtlich's gaze (west or east for a vertical gaze, north or south for a vertical gaze, and such) then the aumtlich will freeze in much the same way it would as if it were facing a mirror.

Practice this trick a lot, I forsee many rooms in the future using it... or at least I remember at least one BoyBlue room also requiring this.

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key-smiter
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Thanks, that's what I thought . . . and it doesn't seem to work (at least in this room).

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Do note that the aumtlich only considers if it should be frozen after it moves. Following its movement, the Aumtlich checks its gaze and determines whether or not it should be able to move on its next turn.

So, yes, you have to figure out where the Aumtlich will move and then place your sword where it will become frozen. Remember that monsters always behave the same across all rooms

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