Banjooie
Level: Smitemaster

Rank Points: 1645
Registered: 12-12-2004
IP: Logged

I propose the following hypothesis:

1: Moderators are clever fellows who know how to move threads.

2: Posts that consist of 'plz to be hints/solutions kthx' aren't particularly constructive to the poster (who just wants to get his answer) nor the moderators (who can kind of tell, see 1)

Therefore: Instead of going 'OMG MAKE WHAT WITH THE HINTS/SOLUTIONS', we can act as if it were already in hints/solutions, and surely somebody with moderatorial powers will get Picard on us and make it so, yes?

Mattcrampy
Level: Smitemaster

Rank Points: 2388
Registered: 05-29-2003
IP: Logged

There is one problem with this:

People who post in General asking for hints probably won't be able to find Hints & Solutions, so it'll look like their thread's been deleted. This can probably be dealt with, though.

____________________________
What do you call an elephant at the North Pole?

Tahnan
Level: Smitemaster

Rank Points: 2459
Registered: 11-14-2005
IP: Logged

I've read Banjooie's post four or five times now, and I think I've finally understood about half of it.

eytanz
Level: Smitemaster

Rank Points: 2708
Registered: 02-05-2003
IP: Logged

Several points:

- One, as Matt already said, if the post is just arbitrarily moved, the poster will not be able to find it.

- Two, similarly, it's not just about fixing individual posts, it's about educating new members of the community. Most, if not all, people who post responses to hint requests in general specifically do *not* go 'OMG MAKE WHAT WITH THE HINTS/SOLUTIONS', but rather A - provide the help needs, B - politely explain that this was not the right way to go about doing it and offer advice for the future. Your suggestion will work to the disadvantage of the new forum members more than it will help anyone.

- Three, Banjooie - you don't get to decide policies for the moderators. If any moderators had an issue with the way hint requests on the general board are handled, they would address it themselves. If you want to make a request that moderators take action here, phrase it as a request to the moderators, don't just assume that they will want to act the way you want them to and use that as justification to ordering around other people.

____________________________
I got my avatar back! Yay!

Kevin_P86
Level: Smitemaster

Rank Points: 535
Registered: 06-28-2005
IP: Logged

Tahnan wrote:
I've read Banjooie's post four or five times now, and I think I've finally understood about half of it.

My interpretation:

Posts on the General Board which belong on the Hints and Solutions board should simply be moved by a moderator, rather than someone posting "This should be on the Hints and Solutions board instead".

____________________________
+++++[>+++++<-]>[>+++>++++>+++++<<<-]>.>+.>-------.<++++.+++++.

---

[Last edited by Kevin_P86 at 11-29-2006 03:50 AM]

Rabscuttle
Level: Smitemaster

Rank Points: 2460
Registered: 09-10-2004
IP: Logged

The thrust of Banjooie's thesis:
When people ask for room-specific help on the General board (instead of on the Hints & Solutions board), instead of people replying to tell them to repost on H&S, they should instead just answer the request for help and meanwhile a moderator should move the thread to H&S.

"plz to be hints/solutions kthx" means "Please repost this in Hints & Soutions. Is that satisfactory? I am much obliged."

"OMG MAKE WHAT WITH THE HINTS/SOLUTIONS" means much the same thing.

Jean-Luc Picard is the Captain of the Enterprise in the television series 'Star Trek: The Next Generation', portrayed by Patrick Stewart. He is well known for saying 'Make it so' when concluding a set of orders to his crew.
Pictures

---

[Last edited by Rabscuttle at 11-29-2006 04:00 AM]

Schik
Level: Legendary Smitemaster

Rank Points: 5383
Registered: 02-04-2003
IP: Logged

Rabscuttle wrote:
Jean-Luc Picard is the Captain of the Enterprise in the television series 'Star Trek: The Next Generation', portrayed by Patrick Stewart. He is well known for saying 'Make it so' when concluding a set of orders to his crew.
Pictures

Since this topic has little of chance of being useful anyways, I feel no shame in taking it further off-topic. Take a peek here to see a Picard clip that will frighten you.

____________________________
The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way it treats its animals.
--Mahatma Gandhi

trick
Level: Legendary Smitemaster
Rank Points: 2580
Registered: 04-12-2003
IP: Logged

Patrick Stewart sees everything!

~ Gerry

mrimer
Level: Legendary Smitemaster

Rank Points: 5058
Registered: 02-04-2003
IP: Logged

Kevin_P86 wrote:

Tahnan wrote:
I've read Banjooie's post four or five times now, and I think I've finally understood about half of it.

My interpretation:

Posts on the General Board which belong on the Hints and Solutions board should simply be moved by a moderator, rather than someone posting "This should be on the Hints and Solutions board instead".

The problem with doing this is that the person then tends to keep posting new topics to the General board, and will keep doing so for either the same room or for new rooms they have trouble with. Right now, I think it's best that we make known to the user that they need to post on the other board, and I don't see anything amiss with including a link to a Hints thread about the room in question. As a clueless newcomer to a forum, I would find information on both of these points quite helpful. Other new users who read such a thread in General would also then realize they need to post hint requests on the Hints board, and not in General. (duh, but people keep missing the obvious)

____________________________
Gandalf? Yes... That's what they used to call me.
Gandalf the Grey. That was my name.
I am Gandalf the White.
And I come back to you now at the turn of the tide.

---

[Last edited by mrimer at 11-29-2006 05:14 PM]

Kevin_P86
Level: Smitemaster

Rank Points: 535
Registered: 06-28-2005
IP: Logged

mrimer wrote:

Kevin_P86 wrote:

Tahnan wrote:
I've read Banjooie's post four or five times now, and I think I've finally understood about half of it.

My interpretation:

Posts on the General Board which belong on the Hints and Solutions board should simply be moved by a moderator, rather than someone posting "This should be on the Hints and Solutions board instead".

The problem with doing this is that the person then tends to keep posting new topics to the General board, and will keep doing so for either the same room or for new rooms they have trouble with. Right now, I think it's best that we make known to the user that they need to post on the other board, and I don't see anything amiss with including a link to a Hints thread about the room in question. As a clueless newcomer to a forum, I would find information on both of these points quite helpful. Other new users who read this thread will also realize they need to post hint requests on the Hints board. (duh, but people keep missing the obvious)

I definitely agree. I was just pointing out how I interpreted Banjooie's post (which seems to be at least somewhat of a concensus) in reply to Tahnan's post implying he did not follow.

____________________________
+++++[>+++++<-]>[>+++>++++>+++++<<<-]>.>+.>-------.<++++.+++++.

Tahnan
Level: Smitemaster

Rank Points: 2459
Registered: 11-14-2005
IP: Logged

Ahhh. I was trying to read 'plz to be hints/solutions kthx' and 'OMG MAKE WHAT WITH THE HINTS/SOLUTIONS' as things newbies might say, as opposed to things experienced players might say.

And that Patrick Stewart thing was fantastic; thanks for linking it!

Mattcrampy
Level: Smitemaster

Rank Points: 2388
Registered: 05-29-2003
IP: Logged

Patrick Stewart is genuinely classy.

I usually send a PM to the owner of a thread when I move it if I think they might be confused by it disappearing. I don't know if this is the best idea, but I think with our big red 'PM' link it's better than not saying anything.

____________________________
What do you call an elephant at the North Pole?

Oneiromancer
Level: Legendary Smitemaster

Rank Points: 2936
Registered: 03-29-2003
IP: Logged

The main problem with just any moderator moving a post to the Hints and Solutions board is that assigning a room image to the room is only easy to do if it is the official JtRH hold, for various reasons. If Schik were to make it possible for any moderator/admin besides him to easily set a room image for a room in any hold, then it wouldn't be such a big deal to move the thread and send the poster a PM. Except that we still prefer people post in previously existing threads. And Schik has many more important things to do so I wouldn't really want to bug him about this anyway. I'd rather have a "Having trouble with a DROD room? Try the Hints and Solutions forum!" title somewhere, and also maybe move that "Get Help For A Room" link to the upper left where it is more visible to a new person.

Game on,

____________________________
"He who is certain he knows the ending of things when he is only beginning them is either extremely wise or extremely foolish; no matter which is true, he is certainly an unhappy man, for he has put a knife in the heart of wonder." -- Tad Williams

Syntax
Level: Smitemaster
Rank Points: 1218
Registered: 05-12-2005
IP: Logged

We could just disallow all posts with the word "stuck" in them and inform the poster to try again in the H&S thread where this word *is* allowed

jbluestein
Level: Smitemaster

Rank Points: 1670
Registered: 12-23-2005
IP: Logged

Syntax wrote:
We could just disallow all posts with the word "stuck" in them and inform the poster to try again in the H&S thread where this word *is* allowed

Your post has been disallowed. Please try again on a different message board.

____________________________
"Rings and knots of joy and grief, all interlaced and locking." --William Buck

Chaco
Level: Smitemaster
Rank Points: 3626
Registered: 10-06-2005
IP: Logged

So, our car got stuck in the mud yesterday, we had to pull it out...

____________________________
Quick links to my stuff (in case you forgot where it was):

Mattcrampy
Level: Smitemaster

Rank Points: 2388
Registered: 05-29-2003
IP: Logged

So, I've got this piece of wood stuck up my...

Hmm, that makes me want to have posts with stuck filtered out.

____________________________
What do you call an elephant at the North Pole?

NiroZ
Level: Smitemaster
Rank Points: 1302
Registered: 02-12-2006
IP: Logged

Mattcrampy wrote:
So, I've got this piece of wood stuck up my...

Hmm, that makes me want to have posts with stuck filtered out.

Think of the poor people who will have to help you get it out!!! It ain't called Hints and Solutions for nothing mate.

AlefBet
Level: Smitemaster
Rank Points: 979
Registered: 07-16-2003
IP: Logged

We could have it so that if a post has the words "stuck" or "can't get past" or "figure out", an image of a paperclip with big eyes appears and says, "it looks like you are asking for help to solve a room. Would you like me to help you with this?"

____________________________
I was charged with conspiracy to commit jay-walking, and accessory to changing lanes without signaling after the fact .

++Adam H. Peterson

---

[Last edited by AlefBet at 12-02-2006 07:02 AM]

Syntax
Level: Smitemaster
Rank Points: 1218
Registered: 05-12-2005
IP: Logged

[off-topic]
Sorry, but AlefBet's post reminded me of an MS spoof (or is it?)

The guy types in:

Goodbye world,

I can't go on any lon...

And the clip appears with:
It looks like you're writing a suicide note. Would you like help?
* Use suicide template
* Grammar... Goodbye *cruel* world
* Save document as CSV

Made me laugh anyhows
[/off-topic]