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The princess bride about action? Lol. The princess bride is about wit. Personally I didn't think much of it, but YMMV.
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Minimike stated that the action was his favorite part of the film, and my experience with it is sadly lacking.

Wit is a worthy endeavor, and I have placed it on my list for movies to see, but it will have to wait as I have been reading Jane Austen and am quite sick of being impressed by wit.

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We should probably consider how hard it is for minimike98 to understand wit.

lol, Jane Austen

Anyway, I think the book is better than the movie. The only thing the movie has that the book doesn't is the ROUSs, whereas the the book has much the movie lacks. For what the movie does have, though, it's a good faithful adaptation, and still good.

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Whether it is due to constraints of time, or the fact that visual imagery is usually less precise than language, there are some books that simply can not be adapted.

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...yes, that is so, but the parts it did attempt to adapt were adapted well. As was all I said.

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Personally, the only reason I decide not to go watching most of today's movies is because I fear to be let down. And while Inglorious Basterds is said to be good, I couldn't quite watch it (I'm only 14, sheesh...) because it's said to be a bit too gory.

Also considering what most teens nowadays enjoy (which is in NO way what I like), I have a tendency to avoid what most kids would say to be 'good', since my mind implies that it might be a bad movie. It's just me being used to not enjoying what others like is all.

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Personally, the only reason I decide not to go watching most of today's movies is because I fear to be let down. And while Inglorious Basterds is said to be good, I couldn't quite watch it (I'm only 14, sheesh...) because it's said to be a bit too gory.

Also considering what most teens nowadays enjoy (which is in NO way what I like), I have a tendency to avoid what most kids would say to be 'good', since my mind implies that it might be a bad movie. It's just me being used to not enjoying what others like is all.

I prefer books to films. I'm not quite sure why - possibly it's that it forces me to think, to imagine what is going on, rather than having the director's view of what is going on forced on me. Maybe it's the ability to go at my own pace - to read faster when it is less interesting, to read things again if I don't understand what is going on.

Whatever the reason, I do have a definite preference - given the choice between reading a book and watching a film of the same genre, and assuming I can only do one (ie I can't watch the film, then read the book later), I will almost always choose the book. (But I'm not going to criticise anyone for preferring films to books as long as they respect my opinion that books are better - both have good points, and which is actually better, if indeed either is, is a matter of opinion).

There is one reason why I might choose to watch a film over reading a book, though. Which is that they are far more a social event. A group of people (or a couple) can go to a film together, and discuss it afterwards on the way back. Which is something that isn't really there with books, at least not to the same extent.

This does mean that I only watch films that my friends watch. Which is fine, as I trust them to make reasonably good choices. But when I was your age, I didn't (different friends, mind), for (basically) the same reason as you. So then I rarely watched films; now (at 19) I do. And I don't feel I missed anything.

[The point I was trying to make seems to have disappeared in writing the post. Oh well.]
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I am a couple years older than you, Jeff, and you are maybe not ready for some of these films. I mean that not in a condescending way, but in a "You will enjoy them more later, also your parents might have objections to some scenes" way. They are all good movies, and I tried to populate the list primarily with films that require the viewer to think in some manner, because those are the films I like best.
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Ravon wrote:
I tried to populate the list primarily with films that require the viewer to think in some manner, because those are the films I like best.
Wait - are you saying Fight Club stops being tediously stoopid at some point? Maybe I should have sat through the whole thing after all ...
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Wait - are you saying Fight Club stops being tediously stoopid at some point? Maybe I should have sat through the whole thing after all ...
Don't worry, I didn't like it either.
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Oh, it changes. Oh boy does it changes.

Anyway, I like films that can definitely said to be clever, like Memento, Shawnshank Redemption, monty python and the holy grail, American History X, snatch, Dr Strangelove, The Sixth Sense, pirates of the Caribbean 1, some like it hot, V for Vandetta (What I like to call, feel good Orwellian drama) as well science fiction movies, such as terminator 2, Ghost in the Shell, Blade Runner Directors cut.

I also like action movies, but other than Casino Royal, action movies a pretty much a dime a dozen.

Note that most of these are not exactly kiddie movies, so check the content warning if you happen to find them on an impulse.
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I liked Fight Club, and I found that the stupidest part was the middle, not the beginning.

The first 2/3 of the movie are so dedicated to clever foreshadowing, they're full significance really isn't revealed until you've watched the final third.

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I've seen only one movie on Ravon's list, 12 Monkeys, and I absolutely hated it. Sorry :(

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Don't worry. I was already going for Terminator anyhow. When I get to buy more DVDs, I'll look up those.

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Unbreakable, Stranger than fiction, Paycheck or others like them can't think of any right now.

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Znirk wrote:
Wait - are you saying Fight Club stops being tediously stoopid at some point? Maybe I should have sat through the whole thing after all ...

I also enjoy dark humor to a fault, and I appreciate a good dose of camp (as in, I like my movies bad). Perhaps our tastes do not agree in these areas? Also, I watched Fight Club at a local theater quite a bit after it came out. Movies are more fun when they are large and being enjoyed in a crowd full of people who want to be watching that movie in particular.
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I just saw Being John Malkovich about an hour ago. It was a harrowing, surreal and thoroughly enjoyable experience, and was entirely unlike anything I've seen before (or since, I suppose).

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Being John Malkovich is fantastic, in my opinion. In that vein, Cold Souls which recently came out yet was grossly under advertised is a very similar movie that explores many of the same topics, and at the same time manages to satirize the "there's a pill for everything" mindset. Paul Giamatti plays himself and is very very good.

Snacko, I seem to have very similar tastes as you, yet have seen all the movies mentioned by you in this thread. I would be very interested to see a more extensive list of movies you enjoyed.
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Very recently (500) Days of Summer came out, and was similarly underadvertised. Despite being an incredibly familiar story, it manages to feel completely fresh. The brilliant thing about the movie isn't its plot, or even its characters (although we're getting closer), but its style. It's told from the main character's perspective as opposed to being an objective presentation of the events, and due to this many scenes play out in odd, creative ways, and none of the shifts feel out of place. Take for example a scene that begins as a presentation of Tom's expectations but then adds a second window showing the reality of the anticipated event, or the scene following the already legendary musical number where an elevator door closes on an ecstatic Tom and then opens a year later to show a depressed, disheveled shadow of the image. People have compared it to Annie Hall, of course, but what's most impressive about isn't its style, but its endlessly creative and delightful sense of invention. It is as though, for two hours, the potential of the medium is fully unleashed.

When speaking about modern film, one simply cannot exclude There Will Be Blood, an almost nightmarishly chaotic and genuinely traumatic character study anchored by one of the greatest performances in film by Daniel-Day Louis, who was reportedly in character for years. Daniel Plainview is at once sympathetic and satanic, the physical embodiment of everything that is disturbing about the American dream, and yet an utterly fascinating lead. The definition of a must-see (although many people have an incredibly negative reaction to it).

I almost hesitate to talk about Burn After Reading because it is simply so different from the rest of my list. It doesn't grapple with complex issues, it's structure is fairly typical (if a tad unfocused, a Coen brother's trademark) and it's a part of the film's underlying joke that the plot goes almost nowhere. John Malkovich loses his diary, a couple of idiotic employees at a gym find it, are confused when their blackmailing is not perceived as good Samaritanism, and then George Clooney, Tilda Swinton and George Clooney's fancy dildo get involved and then they call the Russians and, well, it sort of just unfolds from there. It's disarmingly clever, ludicrously funny, and is the purest example of the Coen brother's unique style since O Brother, Where Art Thou? (which also starred George Clooney). The plot for that movie was reportedly created primarily with the use of SparkNotes, a loose, shallow and delightful summary.

I am a huge fan of Cormac McCarthy's work. His ability to use the English language in a narrative context is unmatched in the 20th century save for perhaps Pynchon, Faulkner, Fitzgerald and Hemmingway (though all five are very, very distinct from each other). His prose is as musical as the best of poetry, and his visions are transplanted onto the page with an unmatched level of sharpness and profundity. Though not as impossible as Pynchon or even Faulkner, one would expect that the soul of the work would be lost if any of his novels were adapted to a genre not primarily language-based, but the Coen brothers somehow pull it off with their adaptation of No Country for Old Men, with Tommy Lee-Jones, Josh Brolin and Javier Bardem. It is these three, the tired law man, the man whose fortune leads to his corruption and the aimless force of destruction, leaving only death in its wake that make the soul of the film so enduring, backed every step of the way by the Coen brother's unbelievably tense directorial work. Although the perfect adaptation of a McCarthy novel is probably impossible, No Country for Old Men is one of the closest things to a perfect film I've ever seen.

High Fidelity, however, was an enjoyable, unique and linguistically simple novel, and it makes for a masterful film. John Cusack, as part of his recovery for the latest in a long line of failed relationships, goes over his most painful breakups, ranging from the sexually curious girl on the jungle gym to the stingy college sweetheart. Cusack, who provides a strong center for the film, is as likable as he is human, and the plot feels fresh without ever leaving the realm of possibility. Roger Ebert probably said it best, "I had the feeling I could walk out of the theater and meet the same people on the street--and want to, which is an even higher compliment".

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Sorry for the necrobump, but I've just seen A Serious Man and believe it to be a great film, possibly the Coen brother's best. Based loosely on the Book of Job, A Serious Man tells the hilariously bleak story of Larry Gopnik, a Jewish physics professor in a 1960's suburb. Larry has a fairly comfortable life: a wife, two kids (one of which is to be barmitzvahed in a couple of weeks) and a good job about to be made more secure with tenure.

One day, however, things go wrong. His son is running home from school to escape his pot dealer, his daughter is stealing money from him to get a nose job, his wife is leaving him for the surreally kind and respectful Sy Ableman, a Korean family is simultaneously bribing and blackmailing him, someone's been writing nasty anonymous letters to the tenure committee, his deadbeat brother is sleeping on the couch he's been exiled to, his son won't stop dogging him to fix the antenna, the man from the record company won't stop calling and the gentiles next door are looking more threatening by the day. And that's all before the shiva.

A Serious Man is perhaps the first movie the Coen brothers have ever made that takes a serious look at the nihilist undercurrent in all of their movies. The Coens aren't content with simply torturing Larry, they try and find why. The plot involves Larry's hopeless attempts to find a reason for his suffering, but there is no simple, comforting way out. Larry's quest has a kind of endearing hopelessness to it: Larry simply seems to stumble through the plot with little expectation of success.

More than that, Larry seems to grapple with the very real struggle of being a Jew after World War II. The atrocities that took place in Hitler's concentration camps made the world notice that they were persecuting Jews for millennia, leading directly to the formation of a Jewish state. The Jewish culture is, in many ways, based on suffering, a culture manifest in various forms: the Russian shtetl villages, the German ghettos, 40 years in the desert. In the past one could look forward to the fulfillment of God's promise to Abraham, that we must live our lives well because it was all we could do. Now there is a Jewish state, but the suffering has not ended. Larry seems to practice his culture's tradition out of habit rather than faith. He attempt to be, as he says, a serious man, a good man. For what? What is his reward? It's nice to engage in senseless acts of kindness and Larry never even thinks of checking his attempts to be a good Jew (with the exception of one very poignant, almost casually preformed action near the end of the film), simply why it is he that must suffer.

That's not to say the film isn't funny. The script, preformed by a number of very talented unknowns, is filled with the same sense of playfulness present in the best of brother's films. Dialogue tends to circle on itself, the Coen's autobiographical observations create a wonderfully quirky satirical suburbia and, most importantly, Stuhlbarg's Larry never comes as across as anything but a likable guy. Far from the whiny, comic portrayal most actors would give the character, Stuhlbarg plays Larry as a good man in a very bad situation, and we never once stop rooting for him.

A Serious Man has received an Academy Award nomination for best picture. It will not win, it's a far too dark, strange and unusual movie to do so. It did not do well commercially and is already out on DVD, do yourself a favor and don't let this gem be forgotten.

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My favourite films would have to be Wild Wild West (Will Smith, Kevin Kline, Kenneth Branagh, Salma Hayek) and Avatar (Sam Worthington, Zoe Saldana)

I like Wild Wild West because of the ongoing comedy between Kev and Will and because of all the action scenes and a decent storyline.

I like Avatar because of it's absolutely brilliant storyline and because of that Quatrich guy who is really tough (reminds me of Brendan Fraser from The Mummy).

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Must have missed Avatar's brilliant storyline when I saw it, I'll check out Wild Wild West (on merit of its cast).

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I'll check out Wild Wild West
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As long as you go into Wild Wild West understanding that it is a movie about the Fresh Prince of Bel-air shooting at gigantic mechaspiders during the 1800s? It is a pretty okay movie.

If you go into it with any other assumption you are going to tear out your own hair. You are going to grind it in your teeth until each follicle becomes razor-sharp. You are then going to swallow the hair and let the razor tips shred your insides and you will view it as a merciful suicide compared to actually watching the entire movie.
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I, for one, look forward to Snacko posting a huge review post on Wild Wild West.

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If you go into it with any other assumption you are going to tear out your own hair. You are going to grind it in your teeth until each follicle becomes razor-sharp. You are then going to swallow the hair and let the razor tips shred your insides and you will view it as a merciful suicide compared to actually watching the entire movie.
Why's that? First time I saw the movie, I didn't know what to expect. Still turned out to be enjoyable.

...Unless of course, it becomes a horrible, wretched movie with any other assumption. If that's the case, perhaps not making assumptions is the best course of action.

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I went into that movie with the assumption I was going to see a silly/alternate reality/cowboy/western/sci-fi/fantasy/buddy/comedy pic with the cliched older set-in-his-ways white dude starring alongside a younger funny hip black dude. And yet... *shrug* Wild Wild West is still on my top ten worst movies list. Well, maybe top fifteen. But to each his own... (Please note that I generally really like both Kevin Kline and Will Smith.)
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I went into that movie with the assumption I was going to see a silly/alternate reality/cowboy/western/sci-fi/fantasy/buddy/comedy pic with the cliched older set-in-his-ways white dude starring alongside a younger funny hip black dude.

Me too! Although, actually, I made that assumption and then didn't bother to watch the movie. I've enjoyed a lot of bad Will Smith movies (Hancock, anyone?), but that one had such awful reviews that I didn't bother.

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Sense and Sensibility
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(Guess which one my wife picked?)

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To tell the truth I only said I would see Wild Wild West in order to make that jab at Avatar. I have no intention of seeing the film.

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Bah, meant to bump this topic instead.

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