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1Entry 3 - Penwielder8.83333333333330.68718427093628
2Entry 2 - da rogu37.44444444444441.4614384931073
3Entry 1 - BoyBlue7.27777777777781.6601725330538
4Entry 5 - Trickster72.0548046676563
5Entry 4 - Techlady (username techant)6.66666666666671.6666666666667
Entry 1 - BoyBlue
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Standard Deviation 1.6601725330538

Entry 2 - da rogu3
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Entry 3 - Penwielder
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Entry 4 - Techlady (username techant)
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You know what, I was going to do this tomorrow evening, but since I'm up now, I may as well post the poll up, right? Right.

For this one, since people are planning to put up victory demos to make sure everyone has a fair chance to get through all the holds, I'm leaving the names of the submitters attached to the entries, and listing them alphabetically for the purpose of the polls. I urge everyone to try to solve the rooms on your own before turning to the demos, however, because just like every other hold the fun is in trying to figure it out for yourself (at least, I think so).

So, here's how rating will go for this one:
1) Sticking to the story: 0-5 - My preference is for the spirit of the story rather than the letter of it, but I leave it to your judgment as the people who are voting. Please be consistent.
2) The hold is enjoyable: 0-5 - Enjoyable and difficult are not mutually exclusive, nor are they strictly inclusive, so again, I leave it to your judgment.
3) The hold sticks to the format restrictions: -1 if not exactly 3 levels, -1 if not exactly 14 rooms - it was part of the requirements for all entries, so if the entry missed on one of them, that needs to be taken into account in the scoring, and this is the easiest way I can think of to do that.

If you plan to use this thread to discuss the holds, please be selective in what you say. Anything that's going to be part of how you judge the hold for the contest should be kept to yourself or else in secret tags.

I forget how long I said voting would go on for, so I'm just going to make it go until Canada Day because apparently I'm patriotic at 1 in the morning. Hopefully judging 5 entries over 7 days should be reasonable enough for everyone to be able to enjoy the holds.

If there's a problem with one of the holds, i.e. a room is unsolvable, please mention it here so the author can fix the bug and re-upload.

Entries coming in the next post.

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06-25-2011 at 05:59 AM
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File: Riddle of the Bar Submissions.zip (2.5 MB)
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And the entries, all zipped up and ready to go

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06-25-2011 at 06:00 AM
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Can we have them posted one at a time? I find it much more convenient to download a bunch of files by clicking on and saving each one separately.

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06-25-2011 at 06:26 AM
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Can we have them posted one at a time? I find it much more convenient to download a bunch of files by clicking on and saving each one separately.


Very funny :lol :lol

Ouch - sorry that I used the user name (TechLady) I have been using in other places. Thanks for fixing it.

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[unhidetime=1 July 2011 7:00pm]Your hidden text.[/unhidetime] should be used to hide your comments. Just so Tahnan does not have to tell you.

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File: demos.zip (7.5 KB)
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Here are a bunch of demos for my entry.

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06-25-2011 at 11:40 AM
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Nice entries, everyone. Hoping the compilation hold will be made after contest is over...

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Would hints by PM be okay? I feel bad about just giving out the solutions directly, as I want the hold to be challenging.
Yeah, that'd be great. The reason I asked was because if I get stuck, then in other entries I can just skip ahead in the editor. Anyway, there's still 6 days left to vote so I won't ask immediately, since I have plenty of time to play each one.

Edit: And also, I'm not too sure about a compilation hold either. One of the puzzle rooms in my entry has been borrowed from another of my holds, which I'm planning to publish.

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I've only finished Techant's so far. I got to a place I couldn't easily figure out on each of the others so will come back to those later.

I did want to say for everyone's benefit though, that each of the authors stuck to the "3 levels, 14 rooms" requirement. Except for Trickster. I can't see his hold since it's not editable and I've not finished it yet ;)

Some really fine work all around though. I'm going to have a hard time picking favourites.

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Except for Trickster. I can't see his hold since it's not editable and I've not finished it yet ;)

Trust me, the hold follows the rules.

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Good, then everyone's covered and no one need worry about subtracting technical points while voting (saves everyone from checking the same thing).

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Let me just say that I will be deducting points for any design flaws, such as having to restore due a a backtracking issue. (2 holds so far have had this problem)

Also, before I post my comments I would like to ask if anyone has any issues with me not using an unhidetime tag? I think that if there's discussion to be had, then why enforce a waiting period? I think most people would be smart enough not to get influenced, and even then a secret tag should be enough. (and people are more likely to discuss during the contest, rather than afterwards)
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I've always found the use of unhidetime tags rather than secret tags in these circumstances to be silly.

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Okay. As much as it stings my pride, I'm going to say:

BoyBlue: I have beat every room except the entrance and I'm just not seeing how that one is possible (or why there is a little wall underneath a bush). Any help?

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BoyBlue: I have beat every room except the entrance and I'm just not seeing how that one is possible (or why there is a little wall underneath a bush). Any help?
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Edit: @12th Archivist - I hope you didn't rush to be the first to comment and vote. If after your comments are revealed I find that you didn't bother to try and fully complete all of them, I will be disappointed (as there are still 6 more days)

I got stuff done, so no worries there.

It will probably take most people a few hours to get all the holds finished and graded. I am one of those people. The reason why I was the first to finish was because I started my testing and judging session just after the entries were released. In other words, I did not rush to be first, I simply started well before anyone else did.

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Her (not that it matters).

... (Even though I'm more of a tau girl than a pi girl.)


My apologies!

More a tau girl than a pi girl? TBP girl?

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Thanks Rogu3

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*phew*

I think I'll call it an afternoon. I've been playing around with easy puzzles the last few weeks. This stretched me a bit. I've beaten three holds (with three hints), just Penwielder's and Trickster's to go. And with Trickster I haven't even gotten past her first room.

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It's annoying because you have to restore in order to choose exactly what square you enter on, which sometimes has tactical importance. If there's a checkpoint right on the edge of the previous room, it shouldn't be too annoying, especially if the player is forced to step on it. Still a minor nuisance of an avoidable sort, but not to the point where it's always a bad decision. Just... usually.
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No no no. Search for "Tau Day", it's coming up this Tuesday. :)
i prefer pi
...Is this an elaborate maths joke or something? Not that I care much since pi comes with a dessert in English-speaking regions.

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Well, finished (and fully completed) all the holds a few hours ago, so might as well put in a bit more effort to do a write-up. Comments and scores are behind the secret, and locked until vote's over.

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But how do you eat tau on tau day? That is my only concern.
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Ironically, here I am posting at almost 1 in the morning again.

Regarding the compilation hold, I wasn't planning on doing one. The reason it worked with the I Ching contest was that all the holds were a single level, each with a single different theme. I don't know whether it would flow as well this time, since it would basically be pushing the same plot on the player 5 times in a row.

If someone else wants to create one, with the permission of all those who created holds, I'll leave it to you.

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But how do you eat tau on tau day? That is my only concern.
Are you kidding? You get to eat TWO pies!!!

Didn't think of it that way...
That is awesome!
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I would like to ask if anyone has any issues with me not using an unhidetime tag? I think that if there's discussion to be had, then why enforce a waiting period?
*shrug* I prefer unhidetime tags, but I can't stop you from not using them.
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My hold does this in only one place, and it is somewhat unavoidable, so I don't consider it a design flaw..
That's 3 holds then. I'm not literally taking points away, but having to restore contributes to the fun that I have.

Just got Trickster's entry to finish (stuck on the 3 mother room :~(, I'm giving up trying to master this hold), and then I'll give my feedback. And I guess I'll use the tags then, since everyone else has. (although I'd strongly prefer if nobody uses them)

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Conquered Postmastered each hold. Comments:

BoyBlue
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Tau? B...b...but, then my exponentials become e^(-j*tau/2*t) and that's just not cool.
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Personally, I found:
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...tougher to beat than:
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At least in the latter, you can
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Indeed, me too. I never want to see another room with gel again -_-
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