Rheb wrote:
Here's my demo for 2N2E. I think I can improve the adder cutting technique so that I won't need a single goblin.

Edit: By the way, do you want me to mass export my demos too? I haven't played the latest version, so some of them will be invalid.

Zch wrote:
Huh, that technique is quite weird. We don't understand why it works. That is, why does the adder take damage after eating a mimic when it does not without eating the mimic.

Rheb wrote:

Zch wrote:
Huh, that technique is quite weird. We don't understand why it works. That is, why does the adder take damage after eating a mimic when it does not without eating the mimic.

Well, the mimics moves before the adder, which makes the mimic able to strike the adder once before it would eat it. In my solution I use the fact that the first placed mimic always moves before later placed mimics. I was sure it was the intended solution, and thought it was pretty neat!

Rheb wrote:
If the trick in Underground Lake is to get the stalwart to help you cut a tar blob, I think I'm ready to give up on it and ask for a demo. Also, if that is the trick, I think it's far too mean to have in a linear tunnel where the player can either chose to restore and than later redo a couple of rooms, or continue being stuck.

Dischorran wrote:

Rheb wrote:
If the trick in Underground Lake is to get the stalwart to help you cut a tar blob, I think I'm ready to give up on it and ask for a demo. Also, if that is the trick, I think it's far too mean to have in a linear tunnel where the player can either chose to restore and than later redo a couple of rooms, or continue being stuck.

You mean 2S2W? That room's in the batch of demos that I posted a while back, but apparently gel is the intended solution.

Dischorran wrote:
Only a few more comments this time - the last rooms of Lava Land have been resisting my best efforts to solve them.

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Tunnel Network
1S2E: Neat, but rather hard.

Lava Land:
1S1W: Not as bad as it looked once I learned not to block tunnels.
2S: An OK variant, but not my favorite.
5S: I *should* try it properly, but for now I wandered over with Beethro and then plunked a mimic onto the pressure plate.
5S1E: The scroll says I solved the ultra-secret room properly. Really?

I agree with Rheb that you should probably do whatever it takes to permit backtracking through the solved stalwart rooms.

Rheb wrote:
Ok, I'll need a demo for UL: 2N2W too

This room I'd really like a little easier. The stalwart technique is really messy, (and not very fun), and the room is hard. I think many players with me would give up on it.

Dischorran wrote:
I've gotten through a few more rooms; Lava Lamp 4S1E and 2S2W are still incomplete, and not coincidentally both have the appearance of rather long rooms requiring brute force to solve. EDIT: Solved 4S1E, not looking forward to 2S2W. EDIT AGAIN: apparently rock giants like staying at the point of a diagonal sword. Weird. On to the next level.

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×2W: Good puzzle. What had to be done became quickly clear, but how to do it took a while, mostly because it didn't occur to me to make better use of the tunnel.
1E: Somewhat annoying. It would be less so if I had greater freedom of movement - the lower rock enclosures make it difficult to withdraw and come at the giants from another angle to manipulate them. Is that necessary?
2S2E: In retrospect, pretty decent, once I realized that with proper choice of entrance the mimic wouldn't have to make it to the exit from the hot tiles before the giant did.
3S: Only the northern pressure plate needed a giant immobilized on it. The eastern and southern ones had a golem blocked by a line of three piles removed by the bomb blast, the western one had a golem blocked by a line of three piles to its east and released as I went through the upper doors, and the northern giant was killed by the blast, allowing the golems to go through the gap I left in its cage. This feels unintended, but I also really don't want to have to trap four giants with nine piles...
4S: Mud blob at upper left has no apparent purpose aside from completing the blob at the corners of the adjacent rooms. Killed giant on lowest pressure plate, manipulated golems to kill on others (filler task, or training for other rooms?). Rotated arrows, cleared out all but one mud blob, drank potion, killed golem with potion and manipulated north to hit the final mud blob.
1S2W: #)(%*$#@ cheap trick...
4S1E: Finally fell to hard work, the realization that all decoys had to be pointing in orthogonal directions, and referring to my demo for the first half to solve the second half. Rather hard.
2S2W: Awfully obscure trick.

Also, if anyone solves Underground Lake 1S1W the intended way, I wouldn't mind seeing a demo since it annoyed me even more than the rooms that Rheb's been complaining about. Maybe I missed something.

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1E: We'll see what can be done about the rock enclosures.
3S: It is not unintended to use mostly golems and only one giant. Trapping 4 giants with only 9 piles would be impossible I think. Or maybe not, but I think this room is challenging enough as it is
4S: I think you found an unintended solution, the tar blob in upper left corner has a purpose in the intended solution. And you seem to be doing some other stuff which we thought would not work too. Could we have a demo of your solution?
1S2W: I made this room, and when Kallor playtested it the first time he reacted the same way It is a cheap trick indeed, but hopefully not too evil...
2S2W: Hmm... We thought this would be trivial room, but apparently this is a new trick...

Dischorran wrote:
Here's the demo.

Zch wrote:
Thanks. That was solution very unintended. Added obstacle to (26,25) to prevent mimic from exiting the circle after killing the golem.

Zch wrote:
Thank you for the comments. I'll attach a demo for Underground Lake 1S1W. A little under 1500 moves is quite lot, but manipulating platforms and waiting for gel to grow is slow... This room could be made easier by marking the correct solution with lighting, but it would kinda ruin it. I mean the puzzle is to find destructable gel shape that can be built from the platform pieces given.
The platform manipulation, waiting for the gel to grow and later destroying it again are the boring and unchallenging part of the room. Which we tried to make as easy as possible.