TFMurphy
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This has been kicking about for a few years now, but it's pretty much almost done with polishing, so here we go.

It's advised that you've played the original hold before, so that you are both familiar with how the hold works and are better able to see where differences lie. However, fresh looks from people who've never played the original may also be useful, but be aware that the hold's tutorial puzzles are now no longer tutorials. Playing the original may help in figuring out the updated puzzles. Of course, it may also hinder too, depending on the room.

Oh, and just like the original, it uses the Volcano style, so you might want to grab that too. City just isn't the same.

Thanks to Chaco and CuriousShyRabbit for playing through the alpha all those months ago, though I'll note that the current version has undergone a few more changes to rooms they might have played through before.

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Dischorran
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On the first puzzle room, and moar checkptz plz kthxbai.

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vinheim
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Well, I already had started playing this hold ages ago, though I haven't gotten past any rooms except the first 2. Still though, I think these puzzles will appeal to the experts with its complex situations and whatnot. (Some "preparation rooms" in Chaco's Fireballs hold where you have to put fireballs in force arrows, suddenly aren't that much of a preparation room in this hold where I think a fireball or 2 has to be running around in a certain loop rather than stuck in a force arrow, amirite?)

TFMurphy
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Dischorran wrote:
On the first puzzle room, and moar checkptz plz kthxbai.

Fine, I guess I can put a checkpoint in that room. I'll note that you don't really get much use out of it since there's nothing really worth saving, but it's there now if you want it.

vinheim wrote:
Well, I already had started playing this hold ages ago, though I haven't gotten past any rooms except the first 2. Still though, I think these puzzles will appeal to the experts with its complex situations and whatnot.

If you've done 2S and 3S, then the next few rooms to focus on are probably 5S1E, 5S1W and 3S1E. The rooms have a fair range in difficulty though, so others might be reasonable to deal with as well.

vinheim wrote:
(Some "preparation rooms" in Chaco's Fireballs hold where you have to put fireballs in force arrows, suddenly aren't that much of a preparation room in this hold where I think a fireball or 2 has to be running around in a certain loop rather than stuck in a force arrow, amirite?)

There's one or two preparation rooms still, but they're not as straightforward as before. More rooms require you to have a certain sense of timing and adept manipulation. In most cases, it's best to figure out where you want a fireball to be and then work backwards from that. There's sometimes more than one way to do those types of rooms though.

Another big concept in the hold is parity. This is vitally important for some rooms, and understanding a fireball's parity will help make your life easier. (Though in a number of rooms, you can safely ignore it.) If you don't understand what I mean by parity, then a search for 'parity' or 'snake parity' on the forums might introduce you to similar concepts used in DROD.

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The rooms you suggested were tricky, but look easier than the others. I really liked the solutions as well (or at least what I think the solutions are). I'll delete these comments once the hold is uploaded since they may contain the solutions a bit.

3S 1E


5S 1E


5S 1W


I'll see if these work later, but basic point is, I like how the solutions work out and how you really have to analyze the situation. Hold looks good as is. If the rooms have been proven to be beatable, I reckon it's ready to be submitted. Besides, I know mxvladi is eyeing this.