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Well, I've played all the entries now and completed all of them except The Dungeon, A very tight place, Gaze of the Aumtlich and Tarstuff Trouble. The question is, should the contest host get a vote?

Yes

You should also probably host the individual hold files, so if people have trouble with a hold, they can see if it is something to do with the original hold or the duplicate.

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And here is a walkthrough for mxvladi's sand trap that he posted in the submissions thread. I assume he would want it posted here.

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What would a contest be without comments? Have some, but don't peek until you've voted. And thanks, Sillyman, for the template.



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The arrow in the lobby presents a backtracking issue. An arrow pointing S would be better.

Edit: This time Gaze of the Aumtlich ended when I atacked a roach egg. Perhaps if I attack things I have too low ATK to attack? Anyway... I give up. The game crashing isn't very fun. Someone can send a PM of what rating the hold has gotten this far, and I'll vote that, if that's OK.

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File: RPG Limited Room Contest Entry 1 - Gaze of the Aumtlich.drh (8.3 KB)
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Blondbeard wrote:
Edit: This time Gaze of the Aumtlich ended when I atacked a roach egg. Perhaps if I attack things I have too low ATK to attack? Anyway... I give up. The game crashing isn't very fun.

That's very interesting. When I play the hold, I get a "can't harm enemy" message and an infinite round of attacking, but no crashing. Can you confirm you are using the latest build of 1.1.0.54?

Edit: Also, if you are using 1.1.0.54, attached is the original version of the hold (as submitted). Let me know if it is still buggy for you.

Someone can send a PM of what rating the hold has gotten this far, and I'll vote that, if that's OK.

If you want to do that, I'd rather you didn't vote until the end, then. It wouldn't be fair if the current vote average is not representative of the average score the entry will get at the end of voting, if that makes sense. This should also be the case for any other entries, too.

I cannot see any of the average scores yet, so I would also like to state for the record that I do not currently have a biased point of view.

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With agaricus5's version I managed to complete the hold. Thank you! I really enjoyed it Entering the exit stairs crashed DROD RPG, however.

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I am in love about Grow : Roaches! It would be fabolous if there would be hold about Grow! I voted and 3 entires got full 10 also including my own. Congratulations for making good holds,I think I might look your scripts? And The Dungeon was good! It got mulitple rooms and they are in one room?!

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OK, now that I've voted, here are my comments on each entry. Everyone who's commented so far, I notice, has refrained from disclosing the exact figure of their votes, so I'll mostly do the same, but I will say which entries I've given 9 and 10 to.

The Dungeon:


Lilypad Hopping:


Singular Level:


Gaze of the Aumtlich:


Grow: Roach Nest:


Dreams:


Minesweeper:


One room:


Only:


Sand Trap:


Trap Room:


Tarstuff Trouble:


A very tight place:


World's Most Difficult Trick:


Kill the monsters:


Tomb of the Zombie King:


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I'm glad to see you liked "A very tight place", Nuntar.

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Hmm, I'm not sure if this has already been mentioned, but when I play I keep the items I leave an entry with...

Why did I even post when I was absolutely sure someone must have pointed it out before me...?

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That was pointed out and should have been fixed if you download the latest copy of the compilation.

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I'm having a problem with Gaze of the Aumtlich. Every time I try to kill a roach egg without having enough ATK, DROD freezes and memory usage just skyrockets.

I'm using RPG version 1.1.0.54.

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Mazer wrote:
I'm having a problem with Gaze of the Aumtlich. Every time I try to kill a roach egg without having enough ATK, DROD freezes and memory usage just skyrockets.

I'm using RPG version 1.1.0.54.

Can you try the stand-alone version?

Blondbeard has also had the same problem; I suspect it is something to do with my custom equipment running a script on attacking something with too high a DEF (leading to an infinite loop) with a quirk in the compilation hold (e.g. a global script) not liking this possibility.

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Nuntar wrote:
Minesweeper:
Q should toggle the presence of a flag rather than place one permanently

It doesn't? That's odd, I remember coding it to do so... lemme go check... yup, Q on mosaic builds floor. However... there is a slight bug in that once you uncover a character, you can't add or remove a flag from it. And I just realized a good way to fix this: make it build floor before End-ing. Ah well.

Edit: By the way, sorry about the guessing required... that actually is a random layout, just not made-on-demand.

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Just a question that I seemed to have missed, what are you supposed to vote for? Fun, difficulty, of scripting, or anything special?

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Vote for Awesomeness, which is like Fun except it takes everything you like about a hold into account.

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Comments for some of the entries. I just wanted to comment on the one that I most like/dislike or that I thought was interesting to discuss.



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I'm not very good at RPG architecture...

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Tim wrote:
Gaze of the Aumtlich:

Click here to view the secret text

×An easy hold with a very repetitive solution. I like the scripting, but the fact that half the room wasn't used at all made me gave it a lower score than I would like.

I'd just like to say that this is the first comment that I have seen saying the entry was easy, which is in some ways intriguing. Also, looking at the various comments so far, I'd just like to make one thing clear, if I may.



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Tim wrote:
Minesweeper:

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×Fun! But it could have been so much better with better graphics!

I'm pretty sure I recall the rules stating that you aren't supposed to use custom graphics. Which is why I didn't.

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agaricus5 wrote:

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×Were you aware that there are three unique solutions to the room? Maybe I should have made it more clear by saying so explicitly, but not being able to access everything in the room forces you to focus on your strategy (rather than letting you max out your ATT and DEF).

I can see two different solutions. One involves
The other involves Both of them were rather easy since you don't have a real choice after the first one. And maxing out your ATK doesn't seem to be possible.

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I'm pretty sure I recall the rules stating that you aren't supposed to use custom graphics. Which is why I didn't.

Sorry, I didn't know that. I was only asked to judge it on Fun, and this was the only hold that special graphics would have made a difference. On the other hand, even without the graphics, the hold got the highest score I've given out in this contest.

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Tim wrote:

agaricus5 wrote:

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×Were you aware that there are three unique solutions to the room? Maybe I should have made it more clear by saying so explicitly, but not being able to access everything in the room forces you to focus on your strategy (rather than letting you max out your ATT and DEF).

I can see two different solutions. One involves

Click here to view the secret text

×using the keys in the top left area, then go to the top right area, then use the yellow keys to go to the bottom left area until you have enough DEF, while having just enough ATK to collect enough money.

That's a sub-variant of the balanced approach, although not quite how I would have done it (hence perhaps why you considered it repetitive). If you head to the bottom left first, you get a slightly less repetitive solution, with the opportunity to access all three areas.

The other involves

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×maxing out your DEF by using the yellow keys to visit the areas on the right side and keeping the ATK at 0.

Yup. That's the high-DEF solution.

Both of them were rather easy since you don't have a real choice after the first one.

Well, no. But that's the whole point, right? I don't agree with you on how easy it is, but maybe that's because I spent quite a while ensuring there were three solutions.

And maxing out your ATK doesn't seem to be possible.

Yes, it is (see attached), and it is the intended solution if you go in the top-left corner. A slight oversight means it is possible to get both a high ATT and DEF at the same time (which speeds up said solution by 1-2 rounds, I believe). The final movecount is 1377 moves at this time, although I didn't count how many keys I used.

Edit: I shall also add that this is a picture from the stand-alone version, in case there is some discrepancy with the compilation hold.

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agaricus5 wrote:
Can you try the stand-alone version?

Blondbeard has also had the same problem; I suspect it is something to do with my custom equipment running a script on attacking something with too high a DEF (leading to an infinite loop) with a quirk in the compilation hold (e.g. a global script) not liking this possibility.

Nope, still hangs. And this time, it was a roach.

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agaricus5 wrote:
Well, no. But that's the whole point, right? I don't agree with you on how easy it is, but maybe that's because I spent quite a while ensuring there were three solutions.

I don't understand why having three solutions is making a puzzle harder. It does make it more fun though.

On the other hand, it was very repetitive, Someone (not sure if I should say his name) told me during CNet Chat that he stopped playing the room after a few hits on the orb since he could interpolate the next turns anyway.

And thanks for the max ATK picture. I got it now as well. (Don't worry, I played the original unedited version. I don't like playing untested compilation versions anyway, at least not outside the Architecture Boards.)

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Comments on the puzzles:

Dreams:
Minesweeper:
Grow: Roach Nest:
Singular Level:
Lilypad Hopping:
The Dungeon:
Tarstuff Trouble:
Gaze of the Aumtlich:
A very tight place:
Trap Room:
Sand Trap:
Only:
One Room:
Worlds Most Difficult Trick:
Kill the monsters:

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Mazer wrote:

agaricus5 wrote:
Can you try the stand-alone version?

Blondbeard has also had the same problem; I suspect it is something to do with my custom equipment running a script on attacking something with too high a DEF (leading to an infinite loop) with a quirk in the compilation hold (e.g. a global script) not liking this possibility.

Nope, still hangs. And this time, it was a roach.

That's very interesting. Maybe you should submit a bug report, since it seems that a number of other prople have had problems too. For the record, I'm running a directly installed 1.1.0.54 demo (with no patching), and haven't had any trouble with crashing.

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Contest results

1. mxvladi(Sand Trap, One room) gets 100 rankpoints and prize from prize pile
2. Mazer(The Dungeon) gets 50 rankpoints
3. Rheb(The tomb of the Zombie King) gets 25 rankpoints
4. agaricus5(Tarstuff Trouble, Gaze of the aumtlich)
5. 12th Archivist(Dreams) gets 10 rankpoints
6. techant(A very tight space)
7. Chaco(Singular level)
8. Sillyman(Minesweeper)
9. lopsidation(Lilypad Hopping)
10. zwetschenwasser(Only)
11. The Architest(Trap Room)
12. reyll3(Worlds most difficult trick) gets 10 rankpoints
13. VIPCOOL(Kill the monsters)
14. hyperme(Grow: Roach nest)

Sorry if I missed something - I'm pretty tired after school...

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Heh, someones eager to report the results

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Yay! You win,mxvladi!

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mxvladi wrote:
Contest results

1. mxvladi(Sand Trap, One room) gets 100 rankpoints and prize from prize pile

Awesome. You got both 1st and 2nd place! That deserves extra rank points or at least bucketfuls of DROD RPG kudos.

4. agaricus5(Tarstuff Trouble, Gaze of the aumtlich)

Heh. I should have gone for something a bit more simple. I guess my oversight was to make my rooms more difficult than they could have been (I spent hours tweaking the numbers behind the scenes) and made an error of judgement.

Well done to the contest winners!

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