CuriousShyRabbit
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The following question came up when testing Hartleyhair's hold Utopolis Life. I'm playing in 3.1.0.54

I'm wondering whether the following behavior is intentional or buggy?

Use the script "Set player sword Off" and then have the player step on a disarm token twice. The player remains swordless, even though it looks like the second use of the disarm token will return the player's sword. (The script and the disarm token do not have to be in the same room or in the same level.)

coppro
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That's a bit odd, but I think it is correct behavior. The disarm token and the script option affect different sword variables; if either one turns the sword off, the sword goes off. So therefore, the disarm token represents the token's sword state - which may matter if a script suddenly decides to give Beethro back his sword, and he's set not to have one (personally, though, I think there's more potential in tokens giving Beethro his sword back, but it's not to be)

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Thank you very much! That's exactly what I wanted to know.

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I just ran into this myself, where using "Set player weapon Off" causes disarm and rearm tokens to do nothing (except toggle themselves).

I was expecting "weapon Off" to act identically to stepping on a disarm token, and "weapon On" to be a rearm token. And this thread shows that "If ... Set player weapon Off" will now return true if player is disarmed by token as well as by script.

What is "Set player weapon Off" doing (or not doing) differently than disarm tokens? And is this a bug?

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hyperme
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This is still not a bug, and is entirely by design.

The player has both a local (to a room) and global disarm state. Disarm tokens set the local state, while the script command sets the global state. Character scripts are the only game element given the privilege to alter the global game state, and that's not going to change, as rooms are generally considered to be self-contained. See also: weapon tokens.

Disarm tokens also affect whether Mimics and Decoys have a weapon. This means there is a valid use case to have them appear in rooms where the player is disarmed by a script. I don't know if such rooms exist, but if they do, allowing disarm tokens to change the global disarm state would not only break those rooms, but possibly the entire hold that contains them. This would be very bad.

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Kalin
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I was not expecting script commands like this to be global. This is very unintuitive, and even more so with weapon tokens.

For example: Set player weapon Pickaxe, player wields Pickaxe, step on Staff token, player wields Staff, leave room, player now wields a Pickaxe.

I was expecting "Set player weapon" to act exactly like tokens.

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Generally if we want something that acts exactly like a token, we use a token. Scripting is conventionally for the things that can't be done with normal elements, and it's much more convenient on the architecture end to set global variables to switch weapons for entire levels.

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If you want to use scripting to mimic token behavior (or at least, "local" weapon-swapping), all that's needed is to make sure you reset your variables to the default at the correct times (e.g., as soon as the player enters a new room).

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