Illusionist
Level: Master Delver

Rank Points: 172
Registered: 05-27-2020
IP: Logged

Not a single clue what to do in any of the rooms in this level to be honest. But I wanted to start with this one.

I don't know what to do here.

Dragon Fogel
Level: Smitemaster
Rank Points: 2467
Registered: 06-21-2014
IP: Logged

If you're having trouble with this level in general, you might be confused about some of the nuances of brained movement.

So here are some basic rules:
-Brains treat force arrows as an obstacle.
-Brains do not treat orthosquares as obstacles, and assume they can be traversed diagonally.
-Brains do not treat most monsters as obstacles. However, they do consider dead golems/constructs to be obstacles, as well as snake and gentryii bodies (but not heads).
-Because of these differences between what moves the brain thinks a monster can make and what moves it can actually make, you can sometimes confuse a monster into making an unbrained move. However, monsters that move like golems will never do this, staying still if they cannot make the move the brain wants them to. I could go into more detail on how this works, but off the top of my head I don't think the specifics here are important for any of the rooms.

In this particular room, the main relevance of these points is that the construct in the main area will believe it has a path to you when you cross the force arrow, due to the orthosquares and wubbas. This means it will continue to make brained moves.

So, perhaps it would be helpful to think about how you could confuse it, and what you could accomplish by doing that.

Illusionist
Level: Master Delver

Rank Points: 172
Registered: 05-27-2020
IP: Logged

Thank you for hints but I think that this video is also useful



Massive thanks for Daniel Higgins. I would have never thought of that solution on my own. Shows how little I understand DROD, despite beating every official hold that there is.

---

[Last edited by Illusionist at 08-17-2021 10:55 AM]

navithmastero
Level: Smitemaster

Rank Points: 621
Registered: 01-03-2012
IP: Logged

Illusionist wrote:
Massive thanks for Daniel Higgins. I would have never thought of that solution on my own. Shows how little I understand DROD, despite beating every official hold that there is.

No worries! Glad that these videos helped you out. Brained movement can be very arcane and is definitely one of the most multi-faceted mechanisms in all of DROD. Brained movement is also one of the things which is elaborated on the least in official holds (which is a shame IMO because there are lots of super cool things that can be done with it). I've done a lot of experimenting architecture-wise with what can be done with brains and so I like to think that I've got a pretty decent understanding of how to solve rooms such as these. Unfortunately, if this type of thing isn't something you've seen before, solving rooms like this can be a steep learning curve - I tried to explain my thought process when solving these so hopefully that is also helpful.

____________________________
Member of the Snake Appreciation Society

One of your local HAs.

My stuff: