Jeff_Ray... wrote:
Alright, gave it a go. And here are my thoughts:

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-Epilouge should be spelled "Epilogue". Also, I think you're looking for "Prologue"? Epilogues happen at the end of the story, while prologues are at the start.

Security guards:
-1N: Neat little construct puzzle. Made me think for a while where to put everything.
-1N1E: Another interesting construct puzzle! It's straightforward enough, although a little tricky considering respawn.
-1E: Simple but sweet.
-2N1E: Love the ambience. But I wasn't able to solve it; may go back to that later.
-1S: This room was interesting, with the invisible manipulation. Required some thinking. Although now I notice that all the orbs in this room toggle, when there's no real need for them to do so... maybe you could have them open instead?
-BACKTRACKING ISSUE: After clearing 1S, and making my way back out of the room below it, the briar kills the clone and this prevents me from moving on. This prevents me from clearing the rest of the level, since I need to clear the rooms beyond this one. You should try to test your levels all the way through after you've finished building them, so you can catch such issues.

Overall, the level has some neat construct puzzles so far, but the backtracking issue NEEDS fixing, since it makes the level unfinishable.

Also, for testing, it's generally a good idea to make your hold Anyone Edit so that testers can test rooms if they get stuck (or face an issue that stops them from continuing). You can set the hold to be You and Conquerors once you're ready to submit it to the Hold Admins.

Jeff_Ray... wrote:
I forgot to mention, but some rooms could use some more checkpoints. 1E doesn't have any, and the main puzzle areas of 1N1E and 1S only have one. Maybe one or two more could be ideal... (perhaps close to the plates?)

And 1N's checkpoint on the plate should be moved off of it, since you can't use it if it's obstructed.

Red-XIII wrote:
Not bad at all for a first hold, I like it. I'll attach my demos for the first level since I'm pretty sure I did something unintended, like clearing 1N1E from the North entrance.

Here's some comments for the first level:

1N: Neat, I liked this one.
1E: Simple and quick, I tried a lot to do it without construct but I don't think it's possible.
1N1E: The intended solution is good, though you need to fix the US
2N1E: Haven't made it yet, definitely harder than 1N1E
1S: Easier than I thought, but still good room
1S1E: Pretty sure I didn't do it the intended way. Also, what's the power token for? Again, if you exit to the North you can't go back, so I had to restore.
2S: Quick and easy

Last thing, though I use unlimited undo a lot, don't be afraid to put more checkpoints in a room, also in empty ones (to help restore).

Scattercatt wrote:


1N1E I watched your replay. How did you start from the north?

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×I am almost positive the only way to get to the secret to the north is by completing the room. So this confused me

bomber50 wrote:
1E on the third level has no way to backtrack. Also, for 1S1E on that same level, the Guardian Door just opens, making that room trivial.

bomber50 wrote:
Vaults 1N1W looks impossible. The only way for the roach to be killed is for the guardians to all die, but if that happens, you can't get through the yellow doors.

I did manage to reach the source, but it was an unbelievable amount of trial and error. I'd strongly suggest either making the room easier, or deleting it altogether.

Edit: The change to Security Guards: 1S1E seems to have made the room impossible. You have to put constructs on plates, but then you can't kill them afterward. A pressure plate at (31,27) opening the yellow door could fix this.

bomber50 wrote:
Mastered. Definitely enjoyed, some great rooms and the scripted elements were interesting.

There were a lot of things I noticed that should be changed (spelling, entrance issues, mostly), but on the whole, mostly minor stuff.

More detailed comments secreted. Hold text is italicized, with suggested changes in bold.

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×Level Entrance Descriptions

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×Prologue/Security Guards

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×Level descriptions tend to have extra lines at beginning/end.
It was the same every time
"No wonder these bandits wanted this place, Beethro thought to himself."

Bandit hideout

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×unorganized mess

Vaults

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×"I mean I did help the dungeon, (awkward phrasing) so I should be able to take something with me", Beethro thought. Though, that thought quickly disappeared.
filled with a new type of defence (or defense)

Prologue

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×Some scripted lines in hold have end punctuation, some don't, suggest being consistent here (applies to all levels)

Security guards

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×1N: Good room, didn't use pressure plate at (6,20)
1N1E, 2N1E: High scores are trivialized if you enter from North. Liked 2N1E particularly, a good mix of execution and planning.
3N1E: Got some error beeps here, possibly a DROD bug/bug in script.
1E: A nice challenge of finding a good place to kill the construct.
1S1E: Fine construct room. Dagger token is obscured by force arrow. Backtracking problem if you enter secret before completing room, wouldn't necessarily prevent you from getting your hold on the Holds board (you could just enter Ghosts level), but still potentially annoying for some players.
2S: You don't need orb at (31,2) to escape. Doesn't break anything, just somewhat awkward.

Tutorials

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×Some extra lines at beginning of scrolls here.
Entrance: They wield a dagger and are skilled fighters, so they can kill you with their body.
1N: Scroll is not true, bandits can be quite deadly in groups (see that room in Vaults!) Also, room doesn't demonstrate scroll's concept very well.
2N: Scroll isn't quite true; they can move around small obstructions (if you stand in row 25 in this room, they'll pathfind around wall).
1E: Suggest standardizing capitalization of "Guardian", "source"
1N1E: Guardian Source felt more reddish to me, possibly just me
to disable and kill Vault Guardians.
Second scroll is wrong, guardians may be required to complete a room, they just don't have to be killed.
when all Vault guardians are dead.
2N1E: All sources have to be destroyed for Vault guardians to die.
3N1E: If a Vault guardian's path to you
Northern scroll was very confusing, took a while to solve this room. Backtracking issue here if you reenter tutorial after finishing it.

Bandit hideout

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×1E: He got past the the security gates?
2E: accidentally kill each other
while it's moving forward
1N2E: Only one bandit is needed to kill the wraithwings, could make a good challenge.
1S1E: A bit of trial and error here, somewhat annoying
2S1E: You might be able to lure two bandits into trap, but not a big issue, I think. Dagger token obscured by arrow.
2S2E: Good challenge. Tokens obscured by arrow.
3E: I will not let you take this dungeon (feels awkward)
1N3E: Okay horde room, possibly a bit easy.
2N3E: Orb doesn't need to be hit, not too big of a deal.
1S: Doesn't feel different enough from 1S1E. Backtracking issue from 2S, cannot escape.

Vaults

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×1W: Good room, a bit of manipulation
1N1W: Deleting this room is an option, but I've found another option. It's possible to complete the room opening and closing each of the four doors once. Enforcing this would make the room substantially easier, but reasonable. See demos.
1S1W: Didn't use mirrors
1E: Good room. Possible scripting bug, see demo around turn 115.
1N1E: Liked the lynchpin of stopping two guardians at once, nice!
1S1E: Simple yet fun room, good
2S: Challenging horde room, required an unusual starting orientation.
3S: Tough, took some trial and error.
That was definitely strange.
have I seen something
Anyways, I better make it back (suggest replacing "make it back" with "return")

Attached a set of demos.