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It's not stored in the registry but in DataPath.txt - which is crucial for the Unices and should not be backed up, forcing DROD to autogenerate a new one.

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coppro wrote:
It's not stored in the registry but in DataPath.txt - which is crucial for the Unices and should not be backed up, forcing DROD to autogenerate a new one.

Ah, okay - I didn't look that close at it. But since you pointed me at it and since I'm using Windows I just changed it from

C:\Programs\DROD - The City Beneath\Data;C:\Programs\DROD - The City Beneath\Data;

to

.\Data;.\Data;

and set the "Start in:" field of my DROD shortcut on the desktop to

"C:\Programs\DROD - The City Beneath\"

And voilà - it works, and should keep working when you just backup the whole DROD shebang.

Just in case someone plans to do some experimenting - when you just copy folders around in Explorer, it's pretty easy to forget to remove the DataPath.txt and that in turn makes it pretty easy to unintentionally wedge your datafiles. With this change, I'll either fail (and overwrite the DataPath.txt while it's at it, so setting it to read-only might be a good idea) or use the correct data path, i.e. the one the DROD.exe is in.

Maybe DROD should prompt before upgrading the datafile format? It's (probably) only done once in a blue moon, so why not?

np: Burnt Friedman & Jaki Liebezeit - Royal Roost (Secret Rhythms)

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Tangential question: When does the spider get patched? I just want to now if I should bother redoing rooms yet.

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I just got the patch.
The little "Exit (Esc) and Help F1" in the southwest corner has disappeared, and you still exit if you click at the spot it ought to be at, that seems quite weird...

Edit: Wait it's there now... that's really weird...

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Rheb wrote:
I just got the patch.
The little "Exit (Esc) and Help F1" in the southwest corner has disappeared, and you still exit if you click at the spot it ought to be at, that seems quite weird...

That's strange - it's still there for me...

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Briareos wrote:
Maybe DROD should prompt before upgrading the datafile format? It's (probably) only done once in a blue moon, so why not?

Yeah, I definitely agree! Then, if I still mess up, at least I KNOW it's completely my fault. I went ahead and filed an enhancement request on this one.

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Rabscuttle wrote:
Tangential question: When does the spider get patched? I just want to now if I should bother redoing rooms yet.

When the patch is final and (hopefully) all behavior changes are final. The spider is going to have to re-verify a HUGE number of demos, and I really don't want to have to do them twice.

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Hmm... after using my custom (but unedited) copy of 3.0.2, it seems that lights are having too much of an effect. Mike, I can send you the hold file and some pics, but I'd rather not post them here, as it's for the contest.

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coppro wrote:
Hmm... after using my custom (but unedited) copy of 3.0.2, it seems that lights are having too much of an effect. Mike, I can send you the hold file and some pics, but I'd rather not post them here, as it's for the contest.

Sure, but I'm not able to look at stuff until at least this weekend, and maybe nto even till next weekend or later. (Farewell to 40+ hour Caravel work weeks...) Feel free to send stuff my way, but I'll only respond when I've gotten around to looking at it.


As an aside -- since 3.0.2 has a couple major issues...maybe more major than any of the various bugs in 3.0.0, I think I'm not going to recommend anyone try out the current patch any longer until we fix up the outstanding issues. It seems to be messing up too many peoples' DROD installations...things I'm not able to help them fix. I don't want to cause people grief, so I'm going to update the first post and recommend people wait on trying the 3.0.2 rev2 patch unless they want to see what trouble looks like first-hand. :/

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So. What's a good way to revert to 3.0.0? :-)

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Tahnan wrote:
So. What's a good way to revert to 3.0.0? :-)

I guess it involves exporting your player, reinstalling DROD and importing your player again - unless the export format changed as well, but I don't think so...

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Briareos wrote:

Tahnan wrote:
So. What's a good way to revert to 3.0.0? :-)

I guess it involves exporting your player, reinstalling DROD and importing your player again - unless the export format changed as well, but I don't think so...

Sounds good to me. I think it may also work to export and import holds, except that character scripts will end up blank. But don't try it without proper backup precautions. I may write a utility to help convert hold files from 3.0.2r2 to 3.0.0... but not this week, sorry.

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See my (second) post on 3 May (the one where everything blows up). Exported player data from 3.0.2r2 should import just fine into 3.0.0.

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Actually, my real concern is this hold that I've got that's full of speech that I really, really don't want to lose. And which I can't export.

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DROD crashes upon selecting another hold in the Change Location menu.

And I lost ALL MY PROGRESS again!

Foul patches... >=(

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Briareos wrote:

Tahnan wrote:
So. What's a good way to revert to 3.0.0? :-)

I guess it involves exporting your player, reinstalling DROD and importing your player again - unless the export format changed as well, but I don't think so...

Is this really necessary? I made a copy of my data directory before trying 3.02. Would it be enough to reinstall TCB 3.0 and just copy that directory into it? Or do I really have to go through the export/import ordeal?

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if you have a 3.0 copy of your data dir, them, yes, you can simply insert that and go. some people wouldn't want to if they made any significant progress using 3.0.2r2 and didn't want to lose that progress, but this is the safest option available to anyone who was clever enough to backup their .dat files before trying the patch


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Meh. would vista cause crashes and nasty sraping noises???

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Neathro wrote:
Meh. would vista cause crashes and nasty sraping noises???

Probably, but not because of DROD.

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rev2 + vista = booom
rev2 + xp =

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Per this conversation:

http://forum.caravelgames.com/viewtopic.php?TopicID=8559&page=0#185557

It appears that 3.0.2 may break scripting in some way?



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It changes the file format somewhat, making them incompatible.

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Sorry, but the patch isn't working with the demo.





You will not give me a copy of TCB.

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Neathro wrote:
rev2 + vista = booom

I know that, under Vista, programs that make changes to Program Files have their changes written away in the user profile. Of course, those programs then attempt to read in their changes from Program Files, which will happily go and get the unmodified file.

This might cause some problems for DROD - in particular, Vista forces DROD to keep separate imported levels for each user.

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I've had no problems with Vista and DROD and different player accounts yet. If anyone has this problem, I would reccomend trying to do the following:

1. Go to the folder where DROD is installed and open the folders properties.
2. Go to the 'Security' tab, then click 'Edit'. Give all users appearing there full control of the folder, then confirm the changes. If it disallows this, follow steps 3-6. If it works, do nothing else.
3. Click 'Advanced' instead of 'Edit'. Then click 'Owner', then click 'Edit'.
4. Make it so that all users own the folder (If there is only one user account used, select that one.)(If users doesn't appear, click 'Other Users and Groups' then type 'users' into the large box. Then click check names, and select the new name. Then make it the owner.)
5. Close all property windows, confirming all changes made.
6. Re-open the properties window, and repeat step 2. If the problem persists, follow step 7. Otherwise, do nothing else.
7. Go to 'Sharing' instead of 'Security' and click 'Advanced Sharing.' If a UAC message appears, allow the action. Then click share this folder.

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Pilchard VIII wrote:
I've had no problems with Vista and DROD and different player accounts yet. If anyone has this problem, I would reccomend trying to do the following:

1. Go to the folder where DROD is installed and open the folders properties.
2. Go to the 'Security' tab, then click 'Edit'. Give all users appearing there full control of the folder, then confirm the changes. If it disallows this, follow steps 3-6. If it works, do nothing else.
3. Click 'Advanced' instead of 'Edit'. Then click 'Owner', then click 'Edit'.
4. Make it so that all users own the folder (If there is only one user account used, select that one.)(If users doesn't appear, click 'Other Users and Groups' then type 'users' into the large box. Then click check names, and select the new name. Then make it the owner.)
5. Close all property windows, confirming all changes made.
6. Re-open the properties window, and repeat step 2. If the problem persists, follow step 7. Otherwise, do nothing else.
7. Go to 'Sharing' instead of 'Security' and click 'Advanced Sharing.' If a UAC message appears, allow the action. Then click share this folder.

Yes, giving everyone administrative access to the DROD folder will also work (this is how Vista does installs after all) but it's not an optimal solution.

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How do I keep my holds intact? I don't want to have to redo everything again...

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Export and use silver's downgrade program would be my best recommendation.

Or wait until rev3 comes out, which should be much more stable, and just use that. It should be backwards-compatible (although it uses a new new hold format).

EDIT: Actually, it's Stefan's program. The advice still applies, though.

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So... any plans for when rev3 is coming out? 'Cause my drod.err has almost 2 MB and I really don't want to revert to the even dumber Stalwart (since I'm building something that involves Stalwarts a lot...)

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I've uploaded a 3.1 patch candidate to the first post.

This build is uploaded so individuals experienced in testing may verify bugs marked off as having been fixed on this board have been successfully squashed. Do not expect this build to be bug free -- all threads still marked with a yellow arrow on the Bugs Board have something that remains to be addressed for 3.1. I respectfully request that anyone who doesn't know how to backup and restore their DROD data in the event there is data loss refrain from applying this patch until a final 3.1 patch is released on the Caravel Games Download page.

That being said, there have been a lot of good fixes and improvements in this build. I'm just gunshy after the serious issues that cropped up in 3.0.2 -- these should be fixed now, but may not be. If you know what you're doing, then go right on over to the first post and read through the revisions for 3.1!

Edit: serious outstanding issues: demos are lost and no longer saved after upgrading from 3.0 to 3.1

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