Briareos
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I think I know where the mimics are supposed to go, but I just can't get anything on the rightmost right-pointing force arrow to stop the mimic from getting stuck there - any ideas?

np: Yagya - A Very Long Daydream (Will I Dream During The Process?)

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Syntax
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This one is case of using spawning roaches to displace the mimic. The first one needs to kill the RQ before the W tunnel dead-end.
The rest is obviously impossible

Briareos
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Syntax wrote:
This one is case of using spawning roaches to displace the mimic. The first one needs to kill the RQ before the W tunnel dead-end.
The rest is obviously impossible

Gah... this one I really shouldn't have needed a hint for...

(Also, I'm running out of mod points fast - if this hold keeps it up I'm out before I even reach the second level... )

np: Yagya - When They Stood, They Let Down Their Wings (Will I Dream During The Process?)

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Briareos wrote:

Syntax wrote:
This one is case of using spawning roaches to displace the mimic. The first one needs to kill the RQ before the W tunnel dead-end.
The rest is obviously impossible

Gah... this one I really shouldn't have needed a hint for...

This one I clearly need a hint for.

Here's what I can figure out:



So far, I've actually managed to solve four rooms on this level. One with big hints, two that I figured out almost entirely by mysef, and one that was just a slog. Still have five left (counting this room, and a secret room.)

Josh

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Doom
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You've pretty much figured the main point of the room out. The thing that you're missing is...

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Doom wrote:
You've pretty much figured the main point of the room out. The thing that you're missing is...

Click here to view the secret text

×How to get the mimic west of the queen without walking over any force arrows.

Click here to view the secret text

×Surely there must be something you can get above the mimic to prevent it from running up. Roaches won't do, because they'll run to the trap, but...

Click here to view the secret text

×...a well-used roach egg is a totally different case.

Wow...that's...ingenious.

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Syntax wrote:
This one is case of using spawning roaches to displace the mimic. The first one needs to kill the RQ before the W tunnel dead-end.
The rest is obviously impossible

Indeed.
All joking aside, I got the secret text info in the previous posts on my own, but now I'm stuck. I need at least a hint.

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Briareos
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Jatopian wrote:

Syntax wrote:
This one is case of using spawning roaches to displace the mimic. The first one needs to kill the RQ before the W tunnel dead-end.
The rest is obviously impossible

Indeed.
All joking aside, I got the secret text info in the previous posts on my own, but now I'm stuck. I need at least a hint.

The rest shouldn't really be a problem.

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I swear, it's amazing how this hold manages to be one of the hardest yet still one of the best.

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schep
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I read a few of the hints, without really understanding what people were talking about. So how about a game of Spot the First False Statement?

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larrymurk
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Starting at the bottom, #17 would be the first false statement.

I can say this was one of those rooms I might never have gotten until I was told the answer.

I don't know if this is too much of a spoiler, but here's my hint:

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Ah, I think I get the trick. There is one square for which my #9 is not true.

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Yeah, sorry I couldn't follow all your numbered statements since I didn't know the relationship between your time T and the time TCB (the time when The City Beneath is released).

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I'm stuck here.

As far as I can see, there is no way for a spawned roach in the first room to be prevented from moving north and east, except to be blocked by the mimic and sword.

Which means that the mimic and sword must be IN that room while there is a living roach, up against the east wall.

However this means that the mimic cannot go into (5,16), on the *west*, to strike the orb, while there is a living roach: because Beethro cannot go below row 16 until he has himself struck the northern orb, which requires him to be in row 6.

So...

Mimic must go into the western chamber and strike the western orb.

Beethro must be free to strike the northern orb before he can move south to row 16. At the moment he strikes the northern orb, he can be no further *south* than row 6. It takes him ten moves to reach row 16 from there: which means that there is not time for him to get far enough south, should he strike the orb on the turn in which the queen spawns roaches.

If there is a normal roach (not a queen) in the chamber when Beethro strikes the northern orb (and is on row 6), nothing can prevent it moving further north and getting trapped behind the force arrows, because the mimic is no longer there to block it.

If there is NOT a normal roach in that chamber at that point, then the queen leaves the chamber, and can never spawn again. Which means that there will never be a normal roach in a position capable of going *south* and blocking the southeastern force arrow at (6,23), allowing the second mimic to at any point move north to actually strike the orb at (3,19) rather than becoming trapped on that arrow.

Can anyone explain a sequence of events that makes this work?

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Briareos' post above lists a set of specific steps to take. From there you can challenge some of your assumptions.



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