fratropea
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I voted!!! But I wish the #1...(sigh)

Syntax
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fratropea wrote:

I voted!!! But I wish the #1...(sigh)

Stop taking them. That was mine!

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Spies from our rivals?
On this, Caravel forum?
More likely than thought.

Also, they seem to think the poll is over; now is our time to strike!

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tyteen4a03 wrote:

Anson wrote:
I influanced them ALL they had a bad community.
Mwuahahahahahah.
(Naah)
I did definatly not vote for Wonderland adventures!
Its... to peaceful! And the little characters are called STINKERS! ARRRRRRRGH!

BUT WA WON!Yes!

P.s:A BAD COMMUNITY??????????????SEE OUR COMMUNITY BEFORE YOU SAID THAT!

ours:pcpuzzle.com/forum

I don't need to see your community, this post itself shows me how bad it is.

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I've checked over there and it's sad, apparently they are judging our community from Anson's post and a post from someone saying that they didn't enjoy Wonderland, but would buy it for their kid.

Also, Anson used to be a member there and apparently got into some trouble and got banned. Well, what can you do?

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In unrelated news, Aveyond 2 is currently just two votes behind us, and they managed to tie a couple hours ago. I'm not sure if second place as opposed to third place matters, but hey.

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Ezlo wrote:
I've checked over there and it's sad, apparently they are judging our community from Anson's post and a post from someone saying that they didn't enjoy Wonderland, but would buy it for their kid.

That was me. They quote me and say "yeah right", which leads me to believe that either:

A - They don't think I actually played the game (which I did, and my opinion they quote is correct).

or:

B - I'm lying about thinking that a kid would enjoy it.

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I played the demo too, and I agree, too easy to be interesting. But assuming there are more elements than we saw in the demo, I'm sure a good architect can make some really nasty puzzles. Maybe that's what they were "yeah right"ing about.

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My seven-year-old played through the WA demo and said DROD is much better, even for him.

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I liked Wonderland Adventures, and spent some hours on it before I just decided I needed to put it away and work on something. I think maybe the worst thing about it is also one of its strengths--the 3D graphics. Makes the game really nice to look at, but as the levels become more complex, it's harder to see what is going on.

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I think it's very saddening that the Wonderland community is judging us based on amount of members and 2 posts.

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Then again, the reverse is true as well.

tyteen4a03
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Ezlo wrote:
I've checked over there and it's sad, apparently they are judging our community from Anson's post and a post from someone saying that they didn't enjoy Wonderland, but would buy it for their kid.

Also, Anson used to be a member there and apparently got into some trouble and got banned. Well, what can you do?

Something got from my mind:

He joined this forum in Early 2007 and did everything wrong so MS banned him.
He kept e-mailing me spam. Beware of him!

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golfrman wrote:

tyteen4a03 wrote:

Anson wrote:
I influanced them ALL they had a bad community.
Mwuahahahahahah.
(Naah)
I did definatly not vote for Wonderland adventures!
Its... to peaceful! And the little characters are called STINKERS! ARRRRRRRGH!

BUT WA WON!Yes!

P.s:A BAD COMMUNITY??????????????SEE OUR COMMUNITY BEFORE YOU SAID THAT!

ours:pcpuzzle.com/forum

I don't need to see your community, this post itself shows me how bad it is.

HOW IT IS!!!

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tyteen4a03 wrote:
He joined this forum in Early 2007 and did everything wrong so MS banned him.
He kept e-mailing me spam. Beware of him!

I'll have you know that since Anson has joined the Caravel forum he has cleaned up his act a bit, he's still not perfect, but he's much better than what you let on.

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Syntax
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ErikH2000 wrote:
I liked Wonderland Adventures, and spent some hours on it before I just decided I needed to put it away and work on something. I think maybe the worst thing about it is also one of its strengths--the 3D graphics. Makes the game really nice to look at, but as the levels become more complex, it's harder to see what is going on.

-Erik

This made me decide to buy the game and give it a go, and I must admit I'm hooked right now. There are few decent puzzler games out there, and this one is a great distraction from some of the more brain-shattering DROD levels

Having said that, I'm surprised how high the difficulty level is actually set in WA. I am obviously trying to optimise each room, but it's not as easy as I thought it might be.

I can well imagine me playing through til the end.

As for the 3D gfx issue that Erik points out, I'd agree. They look great! but it makes the character difficult to manoeuvre and can hide important elements. I'd recommend buying the eye-piece early on as this lets you almost get a topdown view on any nearby location.

Anyways, my heart's utterly with DROD but I can understand why people would vote for WA.

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[Last edited by Syntax at 12-30-2007 04:54 AM]

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Hi there, Patrick here (from Midnight Synergy).

I just wanted to pop in and say Hi. I've noticed some negative posts on both our forums regarding our respective other forums. I agree with those that have said we should not judge each others' community based on a few members/posts. I admire what Erik has done with DROD and how its community has grown and evolved, and I also think that we have quite an excellent bunch of puzzle game players. As I said in a post on our own community, these competitions are a positive thing to highlight all indie games, and it would be a shame if they generated unfriendly sentiments.

And as I've said as well, I think DROD is an excellent game (I've bought and played JTRH quite a bit, haven't had time to check out TCB). You will find that Wonderland Adventures is a bit easier in the puzzle department, but it does get nice an tricky for its second half (and it's probably the easiest of all the Wonderland games).

Cheers!
Patrick

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Midnight Synergy wrote:
Hi there, Patrick here (from Midnight Synergy).

I just wanted to pop in and say Hi. I've noticed some negative posts on both our forums regarding our respective other forums. I agree with those that have said we should not judge each others' community based on a few members/posts. I admire what Erik has done with DROD and how its community has grown and evolved, and I also think that we have quite an excellent bunch of puzzle game players. As I said in a post on our own community, these competitions are a positive thing to highlight all indie games, and it would be a shame if they generated unfriendly sentiments.

And as I've said as well, I think DROD is an excellent game (I've bought and played JTRH quite a bit, haven't had time to check out TCB). You will find that Wonderland Adventures is a bit easier in the puzzle department, but it does get nice an tricky for its second half (and it's probably the easiest of all the Wonderland games).

Cheers!
Patrick

Thank you for jumping in and cleaning the discussion up a bit. I am an active member on both this and the Wonderland forum, and I like both games. I must admit that DROD:TCB gets very hard in the third part, so WA is nice if you need a break. I already finished WA with all stars so I'm patiently waiting for the expansion.

Erik and Patrick both did a great job making those games and I hope to see some more games from both of you in the future.

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Beef Row wrote:

zex20913 wrote:
I'm very glad that I'm in the DROD community.

Even though our tally may not compare...there is at least one admitted cheater on their forum. I believe that we're in the clear for...performance enhancements.

Though this thread, specifically, is not free from cheaters seeing how it was the cheater who came to gloat.

(From here) tyteen4a03 wrote:I voted twice...by using 2 acc.!

Please look down(or look in another page),I said that I didn't cast my vote.

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Well, then, you're contradicting yourself.

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Syntax
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Midnight Synergy wrote:
Hi there, Patrick here (from Midnight Synergy).

I just wanted to pop in and say Hi. I've noticed some negative posts on both our forums regarding our respective other forums. I agree with those that have said we should not judge each others' community based on a few members/posts.

Cheers for a great game. I've got most of the shards now and am chasing all the stars.

I would just like to know... where *is* your forum?

Either way, I appreciate you dropping by to absolve any potential negativity between likeminded puzzle solvers

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Syntax wrote:
I would just like to know... where *is* your forum?

Beef Row's post links to it.

-Noah

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Syntax
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NoahT wrote:
Beef Row's post links to it.

Thanks...

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tyleen, are you by any chance under the age of 10?

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zonhin wrote:
tyleen, are you by any chance under the age of 10?

I believe the differences between the 2 forums have been ironed out and as such, let's just move on...

Unless, of course, that question was one of genuine interest in which case I apologise.

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So, uh, can we come back to being excellent to each other now?

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Personally, I am perfectly sure that the Wonderland Adventures community is just as excellent as ours, even if there are a few more.. immature exceptions.
I downloaded the demo myself now, and it's indeed quite a fun game, although not quite my taste. Tile-based puzzle games and 3d hardly mix in my opinion, as seen in both WA and DROD 3D.
Of course it looks somewhat nice, but it obscures too much about the puzzle, at times.

So I can understand and wholeheartedly approve of Wonderland Adventures winning, because it, as a 3D friendly family-based simple puzzle game, has a much larger target than DROD, a 2D evil, difficult puzzle game with a complex, twisting plot.

That said, I wholeheartedly approve that we should just ignore tyteen4a03 and judge their community only after actually visiting it.

-Insane

Syntax
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Insane wrote:
So I can understand and wholeheartedly approve of Wonderland Adventures winning, because it, as a 3D friendly family-based simple puzzle game, has a much larger target than DROD, a 2D evil, difficult puzzle game with a complex, twisting plot.

Agreed... Interestingly, the optimisation process is very difficult, but I realise I'm one of those obsessed with such things. The actual progression curve is also very steep but that only starts getting obvious after maybe 3 or 4 hours. I wouldn't really call it a family-based *simple* puzzle game for those reasons.

All in all, I think this really is a great addition to my puzzle game selection.

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Syntax wrote:
The actual progression curve is also very steep but that only starts getting obvious after maybe 3 or 4 hours. I wouldn't really call it a family-based *simple* puzzle game for those reasons.

Well, maybe that's because I had just played the demo, which I had through in about 20 minutes.

-Insane

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Insane wrote:

Syntax wrote:
The actual progression curve is also very steep but that only starts getting obvious after maybe 3 or 4 hours. I wouldn't really call it a family-based *simple* puzzle game for those reasons.

Well, maybe that's because I had just played the demo, which I had through in about 20 minutes.

-Insane

Yeah, it gets a lot harder in the full version. The demo levels are a sort of tutorial to learn the basics and some objects and monsters. It gets serious when you arrive in Wondertown, which is located just after the demo levels.