Geiler Hengst
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Probably someone already came up with this when it was just gates in Drod 2.0. (that is with the impossibility to place 2 yellow gates next to each other without getting them combined automatically). It was such a big problem there, put now with plattforms which are moveable it makes leveldesign sometimes really more complicated (check out my puzzles in the architecure board, where i must use some scripts to get the effect i want) I guess implemetation of that cant be too hard as u can move plattform later next to each without connecting them. SO i wonder why this isnt possible right from the beginning.

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It took a couple of readings, but I think you are asking for the ability to define how platforms are connected at the beginning of a room instead of always having adjacent squares be connected? It's not a horrible idea, but...I don't really see an easy way of doing it in the editor. I mean, you could have two types of platform, "connecting" and "non-connecting" but what if you wanted a piece of platform to connect to the one above it but not to the one to the right, but then you wanted the one to the right to connect to a different one? It's pretty complicated and I don't think it's necessarily worth it. I guess I'd just have characters move the platforms into place while the player is otherwise delayed or something like that. I actually asked Mike if he could include a "Wait for platform at..." command, it could help with things like that.

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Geiler Hengst
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For the editor it wouldnt be a big deal at all... Mouse CLick and u start a new plattform, then move the mouse with the button clicked and u "paint" it. For a new plattform click on an empty space, to enlarge an existing one just click on an existing one and expand it. When you release the mousebutton you stop painting.

Sorry for my english but i hope its understandable.

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That's actually a pretty elegant solution, I admit I didn't think of it, not being much of an art program user. Who knows, Mike might even like the idea, I'll point him at the thread to see if it would be a really hard thing to code up. It doesn't affect platform functionality, just how you can initially place them in a room...so fundamentally there's probably no reason that one can't do it.

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Oneiromancer wrote:
That's actually a pretty elegant solution, I admit I didn't think of it, not being much of an art program user. Who knows, Mike might even like the idea, I'll point him at the thread to see if it would be a really hard thing to code up. It doesn't affect platform functionality, just how you can initially place them in a room...so fundamentally there's probably no reason that one can't do it.

Would there be any reason it affects functionality for gates or pressure plates, either? If this is implemented for one, it seems like it might be worth implementing for all 3.

The platform one is still the most valuable I think, since alot of good puzzles can be built around freeing one platform from a cluster of them in a small space.

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It would fundamentally change yellow doors and pressure plates, though, since their groupings are not stored. It would probably be a lot easier to implement for platforms, since they must store groupings (although I cannot say that I know whether or not these are made in the editor or when the room loads. If the latter, then I guess it wouldn't actually be easy.

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Beef Row wrote:
Would there be any reason it affects functionality for gates or pressure plates, either? If this is implemented for one, it seems like it might be worth implementing for all 3.

Well, I don't really feel the need to have them for gates. For one, we'd have to update the graphics to differentiate between two sets of connected open gates, on any side. Same for pressure plates. Platforms are already graphically set up to differentiate between different groups. Not that this is necessarily a good reason to not do it, but we've known about the gate issue for a long time and never done anything about it, and I think for plates it also isn't so good because of having to click on them to see what they do, etc. At least platforms don't have any hidden properties and it's already been established that they can be next to each other, they just can't yet start that way.

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AFAIK, this would not be an easy thing to change, because platforms are grouped when the room loads (there's currently no information in the .hold-file about platform "groups").

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Here an idea: Two groups of platform for pits and two groups for water! Lets make the developer's lives even harder!

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Four color theorem, anybody?

If we allow four textures for each platform type, each of which connect to only their own texture, then logistically, this problem is solved.

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RoboBob3000 wrote:
Four color theorem, anybody?

If we allow four textures for each platform type, each of which connect to only their own texture, then logistically, this problem is solved.

and it also adds to the visuals!

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RoboBob3000 wrote:
Four color theorem, anybody?

If we allow four textures for each platform type, each of which connect to only their own texture, then logistically, this problem is solved.

I don't want to have to remember four different platform styles. I want this to be simply fixed.

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