mxvladi wrote:

Red-XIII wrote:
Nope. I used both mimics, but differently. (I don't think not using that mimic, at least while solving the room the way you intend, is possible - goblins are too nasty and I simply have no time to get rid of them w/o mimic)
If demos still don't work, then what I did in 1N 1W is

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×Using one of mimics to kill tar mother(before 2nd spawn), using other one to kill the tar baby which gets spawned in inaccessible place(now, you only need to figure out which place is that)

I finally installed the 3.3
I LOVE the way you did 1N1W that's really cool!!! And yes it's not the intented way
I'll send the intended way of these 2 rooms recorded on version 3.3
I knew 2N would be a room with lots of other solutions but I didn't thought of that Should I modify it?

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mxvladi wrote:

If you wish, you could leave the room as it is, though(or enforce your intended solution).

mxvladi wrote:
I get stuck if I enter 1N 2W because of red door in 1N 1W(also, this issue aside, if I clear 1N 1W, spawn a tar baby and exit to 1N 2W, I'll be stuck as well - because of green door).

Also, you mispelled my nick on the scroll in 1N 2W(everyone keeps doing that ).
<----- another unintended solution for 2N. This time, even shorter(below 100 moves!).

mxvladi wrote:
I still do pretty much the same thing in 2N, with minor differences(I place mimic where roach queen started, then manipulate it to kill the roach queen).

Also, I found variation of solution for 1N 1W which involves not using mimic to dispose of goblins. Which means I can place it somewhere else. Near SE tar blob, for instance, which kills all efficiency aspect of the room. Even worse, it works in 1N 2W, too.

I'd say placing opened yellow door in the area where SE tar blob grows would fix it. I'm not sure how many other things can be done with the spare mimic, though.

mxvladi wrote:
2N -> at least I have to use two mimic potions now. But you do realise that I can skip the northeastern invisibility potion, right? I place second mimic on (by that time, opened) trapdoor gates and kill roach queen with it.

1N 1W -> you should add single-tile red door near SE tar blob back. I don't think it allows me to break things with spare mimic, and its presence prevents me from using 1N 2W solution here.

1N 2W -> I'd call it fixed.

[Post Deleted] mxvladi wrote:
No, with the roach queen. Pretty much the same way as I did in the demo for older version of 2N I sent you, as far as I remember.

[Post Deleted] mxvladi wrote:
I finally have some free time, so here's another unintended solution for 2N.

mxvladi wrote:
Huh. I guess it's because I recorded it in GaTEB and you still use TCB?

Anyway, yet again, I place mimic where roach queen starts, kill roach queen, then manipulate mimic in the serpent passage(serpents haven't got out of it yet), become visible, serpents die. Then I place second mimic at 4,5, hit orb at 4,4, exit. Win.

mxvladi wrote:
Doesn't change my solution in the slightest.

Either place north-pointing force arrow at 4,22(not sure whether it affects the intended solution), or place scroll under roach queen, or... I dunno, something else you can come up with. It will probably break my solution or at least make it harder to do.

maybe I can modify the disposition of the arrows, making them so that once entered to kill the queen you cannot go back.

But are you sure you want to erase your latest solution? IMO it's pretty nice.

Umm, if you can't think of anything more elegant, just place scroll/force arrow/whatever under roach queen, and that's it. Scroll under roach queen = I can't place mimic there = I'll be able to place mimic in that area only after dropping trapdoors. It's far simpler way to break my solution than changing any force arrows.

Actually in my intended solution the mimic should have been put in the queen spot. The way I modifiet now it makes easier your solution I think. I can't see how you can kill the queen if you use my way (spawn babies to kill snakes); the queen will escape in the snake tunnel and the mimic won't be able to get it; now the only way to kill her is by killing snakes with mimic and then put the mimic in the arrows where the queen went. If there is a way to kill snakes with babies and queen with mimic I can't see it



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mxvladi wrote:
My previous solution is broken. Yay! Interestingly enough, this room is still solvable. But still not in a way you intend. That's kinda ironical. EDIT: yeah, that's pretty much the solution you describe.

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×What I do this time: lure roach queen at 17,13(!), place second mimic at 24,15, use it to kill serpents, manipulate it to force arrows, use it to kill queen.

I guess your intended solution can't really be enforced without redesigning the room a lot.

mxvladi wrote:
in 3E, the optimal route is clear(all player needs to do is to smite tar babies efficiently... not too interesting)

I tried so many times but still can't do this in less than 124 moves. I'm probably not efficient while killing the babies; is it possible to have a demo?

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There's just this one, just this rock.
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mxvladi wrote:
Hmm, fine. Here you go.