DanielFishman
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I randomly clicked on Tahnan's highscores trophy, and noticed that for Advanced Concepts he has 217/210 rooms conquered.

A brief search reveals that CuriousShyRabbit has 19/18 conquered on 'Stalwart's March : Devil's Castle', and that Rabscuttle has 10/9 conquered on 'Door master'.

The first instance is slightly different in that Tahnan is missing three scores in Advanced Concepts, whereas CSR and Rabscuttle are not missing any scores in their respective buggy holds.

zex20913
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I'm pretty sure that this arises from one of two ugly facts.

1. A room was conquerable from a now-impossible-to-get-to entrance during beta testing, and the spider can not verify this in demo-checking.

2. A room has been marked unscorable after some people have already conquered it.

I could be wrong though--perhaps someone more authoritative will be along and laugh at me.

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CuriousShyRabbit
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Whoa there! Before you go accusing anyone of cheating, why not check the detailed highscores list.

In the case of Stalwart's March: Devil's Castle, it's easy to verify that there are 19 rooms with victory demos greater than 1 move. One of these, Stalwart's March: Devil's Castle : How I made this?! : The Entrance was marked non-highscorable on August 30, 2008, about a week after promotion. 11 people, including myself, played the hold in the first week and have scores for this room.

In the case of Door master, Door master : Great building : The Entrance was marked non-highscorable on June 15, 2008, again, about a week after promotion. 16 people, including Rabscuttle, played the hold in the first week and have scores for the room.

I do not have a buggy version of Advanced Concepts. I have the same version that is posted on the Holds board, that everyone else is playing. Tahnan was one of the first people to play Advanced Concepts after it was promoted, and again has scores for rooms that were marked unscorable during the following week.

The system whereby architects mark non-highscorable rooms after promotion has existed since "the beginning of time". Schik is working on new forum software that will allow architects to do this during the HA process, before promotion. That should take care of little glitches like this.

Jatopian
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You mean marking rooms non-scorable doesn't remove the extant scores?

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DanielFishman
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CuriousShyRabbit wrote:
Whoa there! Before you go accusing anyone of cheating, why not check the detailed highscores list.

I wasn't accusing anyone of cheating, rather the system of being buggy, or at least poorly designed. Which it IMO is, if marking rooms non-high-scorable doesn't remove the scores for that room.

zex20913
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I agree--this would be a good thing to fix. After that, one could go through and manually delete these extra scores from the server, no?

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Schik
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Freaky. I remember this from a long time ago but thought it had been resolved.

What I did at the time was just fix the symptoms rather than the cause. I've run that script to fix the symptoms again, and as CSR noted the symptoms shouldn't occur any more after I finish the changes to the HA process.

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