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1st Watcher is believed to be the man who founded the Empire. Now, ignoring what little changes the Archivists made to his journals, I noticed an inconsistency with the nomenclature. 1st Watcher is the first of the Watchers. Or was there only one? If there was only one Watcher, why has there been none after that, and how come he is referred to as 1st Watcher and not simply Watcher? If there have been more, wouldn't that mean that there would have been multiple 1st Watchers through history? The other two possibilities I see are that there can only be one Watcher, and so the title is 'hereditary'. The most likely one, IMHO, is that there was intended to be more Watchers, but the Archivists were too obstructionist that it never came to pass.
12-09-2007 at 02:17 AM
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And furthermore, what does the otherworldy forumite Watcher have to do with this mystery?

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Jatopian wrote:
And furthermore, what does the otherworldy forumite Watcher have to do with this mystery?

Well for one, he may have watched it unfold.

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Well, given the way that the rooted empire works, I would not be at all surprised if they give a number to something that there is only one of.
12-09-2007 at 08:49 AM
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Daneel wrote:
Well, given the way that the rooted empire works, I would not be at all surprised if they give a number to something that there is only one of.

Exactly.

Imagine, in our world, a man named "Bob Plantervelt", who has no surviving relatives. Indeed, he is the only man who as the surname "Plantervelt" in the entire world. Would you argue that he can no longer call himself "Bob", because he's the only Plantervelt and therefore that name is enough?

There are 256 slayers. Would you say that 256th slayer cannot call himself so because there is no 257th slayer? Or that 1st slayer cannot use that name because there is no 0th slayer? The lack of someone on one side of the progression is not enough to deny a citizen his name. Why would it matter if there is no-one in both sides?

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All Empire names follow a single template: ranking + job description. There are no "hereditary" names, and there are no exceptions. 1st Watcher may have also been the first of the watchers, and the last of them (though I'm not sure about either), but that is irrelevant. He was a citizen of the Empire - indeed, the first one - and his name follows Empire standards.

(There's an interesting question here about whether this naming scheme started with the Empire or was already in use by the people who eventually became the Empire. I'm pretty sure this question will eventually be answered.)


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The Empire system does allow for demotion and promotion in rare instances. We suspect bureaucracy makes it nearly impossible, though.

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Jatopian wrote:
The Empire system does allow for demotion and promotion in rare instances. We suspect bureaucracy makes it nearly impossible, though.

And is the reason why bureaucracy makes it nearly impossible that they've

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De-secreting the questions/answers that don't contain spoilers (the ones that are still secret contain ending spoilers)

Beef Row wrote:
Does the Imperial system allow for firing and/or demotion? A sort of taking away of someone's name? Obviously the death of a superior can change your name, but is that the only way?

Jatopian is correct: there are procedures for this, but they are very rarely used. The methods are not particularly efficient, and normally more trouble than they are worth.

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Most likely by starting up a new order.
12-10-2007 at 12:51 AM
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NiroZ wrote:
Most likely by starting up a new order.

Likely to become the new boss-like creature in DROD-TSS (like the Slayer in JtRH) :)
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TSS? Does that stand for "The Seven Stars"? "The Strange Side"? "The Siamese Singers"? "This Sand Soaks"?

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"The Second Sky." It's the working title for DROD 4.

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NoahT wrote:
"The Second Sky." It's the working title for DROD 4.

-Noah
so wait, the first drod is in a dungeon, then the second one goes further down, the thrid goes even deeper down, but then the fourth one is in the sky?

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I'm guessing you haven't finished TCB yet, golfrman.

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Note the "second". That is all I will say until you have seen the ending.

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eytanz wrote:
De-secreting the questions/answers that don't contain spoilers (the ones that are still secret contain ending spoilers)

Beef Row wrote:
Does the Imperial system allow for firing and/or demotion? A sort of taking away of someone's name? Obviously the death of a superior can change your name, but is that the only way?

Jatopian is correct: there are procedures for this, but they are very rarely used. The methods are not particularly efficient, and normally more trouble than they are worth.

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Actually, Beethro was given a temporary name, not a permanent one. Thus it will expire normally.

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12-13-2007 at 06:02 AM
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Sillyman wrote:
Actually, Beethro was given a temporary name, not a permanent one. Thus it will expire normally.

Good point, except: (spoiler warning)

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